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  So we are about to get taxed up a storm!
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  @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in So we are about to get taxed up a storm!: @Godder said in So we are about to get taxed up a storm!: My basic, probably oversimplified theory, is that people go into business to make money by any legal means, and consequently any money made by people in business should be taxed in the same way. To me, that includes the any gain in value between purchase and sale of business assets, intentional or not, and most rental properties fall squarely into that category. That's also why the family home should normally be exempt, because it normally isn't a business asset. Not incorporating inflation makes sense as we don't currently incorporate inflation into GST, income tax brackets or any other tax, so would be consistent with that. If I was selling it, that's how I would do it - taxing business income equally and in a consistent manner with other taxes. @Godder I just dont get this line of reasoning at all. To support such reasoning means that you believe all money people get should be taxed and then only exceptions allowed. To me that is just a horrible thought. Govts are incompetent entities that spend money in terrible ways and throughout history the more power and control govts have, the worse off people are. I should not have to justify why I shouldnt be forced under threat to give my money away, others should have to convince me. And the argument that we need a tax because we have other taxes is a crap reason. Which usually leads to the 'fairness' argument which again is complete horse shit. Fairness is completely in the eye of the beholder, so don't bloody steal my money and tell em that it is 'fair', you can argue that bringing n CGT makes things more consistant, but that is horse shit as well as 1/ There are exemptions 2/ Consistancy isnt always a good thing, Hitler committed genocide against the jews, committing more genocide against other groups to be consistent in his slaughter wouldnt have equated to anything good. It's spelled “consistency”. Oh, and everything else was wrong also.
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  US Politics
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  @Salacious-Crumb Oh dear it looks like that reporting may not have been accurate.
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  Fake News
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  @jegga "And the first thing I asked her was whether that bastard was on Empire."
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  Aussie Politics
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  @Nevorian said in Aussie Politics: They missed the perfect opportunity to put Julie Bishop in as leader which would have given them this upcoming election in a canter and now she has walked for good. Have to give Julie Bishop massive respect for not blatantly ringing the sexist alarm the same way Gillard did on her way out. Sure she has gently nodded and winked at it once or twice over the past six months - but she has done her best. As another former ultra-competent Liberal party deputy who didn't have the cajones (or numbers) to stage a leader coup realized... I think in a similar amount of time Julie Bishop and her (limited) supporters will come to the same conclusion.
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  Religion, Morality and Political Correctness on campus
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  @Rembrandt said in Religion, Morality and Political Correctness on campus: Just released. Well worth the watch. I haven't watched this one, but John Anderson's episode with Peter Costello was outstanding (particularly the second half once he gets over his usual gloating and where you get a glimpse into the philosophy which would have guided a Costello government) Utterly impossible to invision that two members on opposites of a cabinet from any post-Howard government would come together ten years later to have a yarn.
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  peak guardian
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  @jegga yep. Was making me laugh when he talked about bullshit jobs and waxed lyrical about garbage men. So patronising. He had some interesting points about the “Freedom Dividend” (I like Yangs branding better), and it appeals to my personal responsibility ethos.
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  British Politics
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  @Bones said in British Politics: @jegga said in British Politics: Britain’s next pm https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/21/shamima-begum-jeremy-corbyn-says-isil-bride-should-allowed-back/?fbclid=IwAR2RdjXzcioLty6KS-Rv6A0vpYmfCNDsFf63pc9QusR93qcN9CZYTeqHNbw I know fuck all about politics, but I really don't understand how this guys is a leader of anything. He's just a complete, bumbling, contrary cunt. When they had the ballot for leadership there were three other candidates who all said very bland slightly different versions of the same bullshit throughout the campaign. You could have picked any of them and got much the same result , he was the only one who wanted to change things . Of course his ideas are largely out of touch with reality but watching him win was a bit like watching Trump win . One of the first things he did though was at question time ask questions he’d been sent on Twitter. The questions were people’s actual concerns not the usual tedious thing their researchers come up with to try and catch the govt out . I thought that was pretty good to be honest. It’s been downhill from there though , he’s just a cunt.
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  Universal income
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  @NTA said in Universal income: @Donsteppa it is more the way the figures are used disingenuously by the government of the day to say everything's alright and "how good are we as economic managers!" I'm not sure how it is in Oz, the NZ process is that the figures are surveyed neutrally by Stats NZ, published, then every man and their dog puts their own spin on them (and in the case of some business journalists, spin plus lack of understanding ) @Godder said in Universal income: @Donsteppa Stats NZ have other measures - probably the most relevant to this discussion is underutilisation, which is everyone who is not employed full time (I.e. 30+ hours/week) but wants to be (so includes unemployed and underemployed, and is 12.1% or 351,000 New Zealanders. Yep, I was lazy in just referring to underemployment. People get quite wound up at how low the official definition of employment is (from memory either an hour or two a week), but it's one of many good reasons why things like underutilisation are measured.
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  What's your move now Jacko?
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  NZ Politics
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  @canefan was interesting seeing Shane Jones defend this decision on Breakfast this morning... @Mokey the Waikato Expressway, particularly the section south of Waikato is awesome.
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  Your favourite conspiracy theories
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  @Crucial said in Your favourite conspiracy theories: @rotated said in Your favourite conspiracy theories: @Crucial said in Your favourite conspiracy theories: @rotated do you really think Child Missing and Reported immediately by Parents = Parents involved that often? It's a small sample size for sure - but regardless if a genuine reaction or part of a cover up you are going to report it "immediately" to police. Again, using the Bain case why would David be guilty? He called the police as soon as he found the scene coming back from his paper run? All I'm saying is statistically a child is much more likely to find harm due to neglect/harm from family members vs an opportunist kidnapping. Huge difference between missing body and being harmed. BTW David Bain didn't call the police immediately. The time gap was a big piece of the prosecution case. The Bain gap was about 20 minutes, in the McCann case approximately 15 minutes before notifying police from when they both "discovered" the situation. Of course if you go with an alternate theory then there are hours between the last independent sighting of any missing/dead party and alive and well and the "discovery". Again I do believe it is entirely plausible that it was an abduction. But to say that it is the most simple explanation is going a bit far IMO. The most simple explanation for why she wasn't seen for the ~4 hours between last sighting and disappearance (despite several adults returning explicitly to check on her and the other children) is because she wasn't there....
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  South americas meltdown
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  Most people confuse socialism and social democracy. Google socialist countries and the following will be referenced in results All the Nordic Countries Ireland Netherlands Belgium Canada France UK New Zealand I kid you not
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  Germany’s descent
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  They got this one right for a change https://www.wired.com/story/germany-facebook-antitrust-ruling/
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  The Failed policy of Multiculturalism
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  @antipodean yeah I know. I misinterpreted written words. Was going to clear with him but liked it instead. He paid for the very thing I was promoting which was a signal that he is all over this issue
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  Political censorship online
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  @Rembrandt said in Political censorship online: Celebs encouraging violence againt innocent children - A Ok Telling recently unemployed activists masquerading as journalists to upskill to better improve thier job prospects - Twitter ban! So tempted to join twitter for the sole purpose of telling some of them to learn to code .
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  NZ justice system 2.0
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  @Tim Massey are understandably trying sever any links to Hannis but this is still up https://mro.massey.ac.nz/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10179/10615/Brown.pdf
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  Harvey Weinstein
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  Brexit
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  @Rembrandt Ms Ardern gave a long interview yesterday to BBC TV about Brexit. Obviously she thought her voice should be heard on the issue. I wish she hadn't wade into a UK domestic matter.
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  Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues
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