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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!
Further to the "its a non-issue!"
What a load of clap trap
Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'?
Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?
Yes I am . Whoa... are you saying they are not???
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!
Further to the "its a non-issue!"
What a load of clap trap
Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'?
Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?
In my above examples I would say mail room bloke definitely mental issues. Older female to male guy definitely not and unsure on the newer female to male, only knew them for a short while pre facebook. Anyone else here know any transgender folk to give some anecdotal evidence on the mental illness angle? Being gay was classified in the DSM-IV as late as the 80's. No idea how much different this is and my sample size of 3 doesn't give a whole lot of insight.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
I still don't get it. If you are trans man but identify as a woman i would assume you would at least try to look like a woman so what is the issue about going into a womans bathroom. You might get stares depending on how far along you are but that would happen anyway. I've only been friends with two trans people both female moving to male. One was older and pretty much a blokey bloke and the other fairly new but she dressed so mannish that you wouldn't make a public guess that she was really a she.
So they'd just get treated as if they were lesbians.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!
Further to the "its a non-issue!"
What a load of clap trap
Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'?
Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?
In my above examples I would say mail room bloke definitely mental issues. Older female to male guy definitely not and unsure on the newer female to male, only knew them for a short while pre facebook. Anyone else here know any transgender folk to give some anecdotal evidence on the mental illness angle? Being gay was classified in the DSM-IV as late as the 80's. No idea how much different this is and my sample size of 3 doesn't give a whole lot of insight.
that's the thing with all this stuff - it is pretty much an arbitrary line drawn by society, and that line shifts over time.
in medical and evolutionary survival of the species type terms, being gay is a negative. obviously as far as humanity at present goes, overpopulation is an issue rather than the other way around, but a high rate of homosexuality in, say, panda or takahe might be a problem - it is inarguably a defect in the way that animals which sexually reproduce are meant to function.
where people get all silly is in thinking that someone having the gay is a big deal - it doesn't mean they should be treated differently to anyone else, and it should not be a reason to assume there are other issues - likewise trannys. many of the other issues that these folk are likely to present are likely to be as a result of their different treatment, or fear at people's reactions - i.e. these are issues caused by other people / society.
how many trannys are there in american schools anyway?
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Maybe the real solution is to replace the words 'Female' and 'Male' on bathroom doors with a picture of a vag and a cock'n'balls with specific facilities to suit the two sexes.
What about non-binary people? Or people who believe they should have a cock or a vag but haven't installed one yet? What about them Mr bigot?
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who uses stinky public toilets anyway, sheesh!
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@NTA said in US Politics:
And owls? And cats? You gender-assuming bastards!
Aren't a toilets in France generally unisex? Seem to remember reading that somewhere.
It's my experience that Frenchmen just piss in the streets
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@Stockcar86 said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
And owls? And cats? You gender-assuming bastards!
Aren't a toilets in France generally unisex? Seem to remember reading that somewhere.
It's my experience that Frenchmen just piss in the streets
Dont be racist
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@Stockcar86 said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
And owls? And cats? You gender-assuming bastards!
Aren't a toilets in France generally unisex? Seem to remember reading that somewhere.
It's my experience that Frenchmen just piss in the streets
Or they let their dogs shit and piss there
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@Rancid-Schnitzel ok maybe a picture of c & b and under it some instructions. 1) Look between your legs. 2) Does it look like this picture 3) if yes come in, if no look at the next door and follow instructions.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel ok maybe a picture of c & b and under it some instructions. 1) Look between your legs. 2) Does it look like this picture 3) if yes come in, if no look at the next door and follow instructions.
And what if they're blind you small-minded fascist? How about some braille?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel ok instead of a drawing how about a dildo and a fleshlight embedded in the door with both written instructions and audio instructions triggered by touch.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel ok instead of a drawing how about a dildo and a fleshlight embedded in the door with both written instructions and audio instructions triggered by touch.
And of course you forgot the ramp. Didn't think of that did you? What a lost cause you are.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!
Further to the "its a non-issue!"
What a load of clap trap
Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'?
Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?
Yes I am . Whoa... are you saying they are not???
Correct. And I think you may find that your view is out of step with the psychiatric studies as well.
I guess you would have also been lining up the shock treatment for gays and "hysterical " women? -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Stockcar86 said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
And owls? And cats? You gender-assuming bastards!
Aren't a toilets in France generally unisex? Seem to remember reading that somewhere.
It's my experience that Frenchmen just piss in the streets
Dont be racist
The correct pronunciation is "rayschist".
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
I guess you would have also been lining up the shock treatment for gays and "hysterical " women?
Hysterical women got vibrators, didn't they?
....and slapped around a bit. I think that was also thought of as a 'cure'
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