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@NTA said in US Politics:
And owls? And cats? You gender-assuming bastards!
Aren't a toilets in France generally unisex? Seem to remember reading that somewhere.
It's my experience that Frenchmen just piss in the streets
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@Stockcar86 said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
And owls? And cats? You gender-assuming bastards!
Aren't a toilets in France generally unisex? Seem to remember reading that somewhere.
It's my experience that Frenchmen just piss in the streets
Dont be racist
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@Stockcar86 said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
And owls? And cats? You gender-assuming bastards!
Aren't a toilets in France generally unisex? Seem to remember reading that somewhere.
It's my experience that Frenchmen just piss in the streets
Or they let their dogs shit and piss there
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@Rancid-Schnitzel ok maybe a picture of c & b and under it some instructions. 1) Look between your legs. 2) Does it look like this picture 3) if yes come in, if no look at the next door and follow instructions.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel ok maybe a picture of c & b and under it some instructions. 1) Look between your legs. 2) Does it look like this picture 3) if yes come in, if no look at the next door and follow instructions.
And what if they're blind you small-minded fascist? How about some braille?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel ok instead of a drawing how about a dildo and a fleshlight embedded in the door with both written instructions and audio instructions triggered by touch.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel ok instead of a drawing how about a dildo and a fleshlight embedded in the door with both written instructions and audio instructions triggered by touch.
And of course you forgot the ramp. Didn't think of that did you? What a lost cause you are.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!
Further to the "its a non-issue!"
What a load of clap trap
Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'?
Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?
Yes I am . Whoa... are you saying they are not???
Correct. And I think you may find that your view is out of step with the psychiatric studies as well.
I guess you would have also been lining up the shock treatment for gays and "hysterical " women? -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Stockcar86 said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
And owls? And cats? You gender-assuming bastards!
Aren't a toilets in France generally unisex? Seem to remember reading that somewhere.
It's my experience that Frenchmen just piss in the streets
Dont be racist
The correct pronunciation is "rayschist".
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
I guess you would have also been lining up the shock treatment for gays and "hysterical " women?
Hysterical women got vibrators, didn't they?
....and slapped around a bit. I think that was also thought of as a 'cure'
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!
Further to the "its a non-issue!"
What a load of clap trap
Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'?
Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?
Yes I am . Whoa... are you saying they are not???
And don't start me on the blacks & the gays....
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@gollum said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!
Further to the "its a non-issue!"
What a load of clap trap
Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'?
Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?
Yes I am . Whoa... are you saying they are not???
And don't start me on the blacks & the gays....
and the lefties...terrible, terrible mental illnesses, all of them
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!
Further to the "its a non-issue!"
What a load of clap trap
Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'?
Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?
Yes I am . Whoa... are you saying they are not???
Correct. And I think you may find that your view is out of step with the psychiatric studies as well.
I guess you would have also been lining up the shock treatment for gays and "hysterical " women?I knew the false equivalence argument would come out as well. It is so predicable and ludicrous. If you want to discuss hysterical women or gays, do so. I am not interested in that. But don't use a logical fallacy to argue your case.
Because some people used to think slapping a person was a good way to calm them down has nothing to do with wether another ocmpletly different situation is a menal illness
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!
Further to the "its a non-issue!"
What a load of clap trap
Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'?
Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?
Yes I am . Whoa... are you saying they are not???
Correct. And I think you may find that your view is out of step with the psychiatric studies as well.
I guess you would have also been lining up the shock treatment for gays and "hysterical " women?I knew the false equivalence argument would come out as well. It is so predicable and ludicrous. If you want to discuss hysterical women or gays, do so. I am not interested in that. But don't use a logical fallacy to argue your case.
It isn't false equivalence at all. Both homosexuality and 'Hysteria' in women were classed once as mental illness.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!
Further to the "its a non-issue!"
What a load of clap trap
Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'?
Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?
Yes I am . Whoa... are you saying they are not???
Correct. And I think you may find that your view is out of step with the psychiatric studies as well.
I guess you would have also been lining up the shock treatment for gays and "hysterical " women?I knew the false equivalence argument would come out as well. It is so predicable and ludicrous. If you want to discuss hysterical women or gays, do so. I am not interested in that. But don't use a logical fallacy to argue your case.
It isn't false equivalence at all. Both homosexuality and 'Hysteria' in women were classed once as mental illness.
Actually that is exactly what it it. You are using a complete logical fallacy. Bi polar is also considered a mental illness... can I use that to support my case? No.. because it is a complete and utterly different scenario. The only thing your 2 examples have in common is that you think they are both not mental illnesses.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!
Further to the "its a non-issue!"
What a load of clap trap
Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'?
Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?
Yes I am . Whoa... are you saying they are not???
Correct. And I think you may find that your view is out of step with the psychiatric studies as well.
I guess you would have also been lining up the shock treatment for gays and "hysterical " women?I knew the false equivalence argument would come out as well. It is so predicable and ludicrous. If you want to discuss hysterical women or gays, do so. I am not interested in that. But don't use a logical fallacy to argue your case.
It isn't false equivalence at all. Both homosexuality and 'Hysteria' in women were classed once as mental illness.
Actually that is exactly what it it. You are using a complete logical fallacy. Bi polar is also considered a mental illness... can I use that to support my case? No.. because it is a complete and utterly different scenario. The only thing your 2 examples have in common is that you think they are both not mental illnesses.
No. The psychiatric profession does not think they are mental illnesses, but they once did. Just as they also don't think being transgender is a mental illness but once did.
If you can stop deflecting for a moment, any chance of backing up your claim that transgender people are mentally ill? -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!
Further to the "its a non-issue!"
What a load of clap trap
Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'?
Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?
Yes I am . Whoa... are you saying they are not???
Correct. And I think you may find that your view is out of step with the psychiatric studies as well.
I guess you would have also been lining up the shock treatment for gays and "hysterical " women?I knew the false equivalence argument would come out as well. It is so predicable and ludicrous. If you want to discuss hysterical women or gays, do so. I am not interested in that. But don't use a logical fallacy to argue your case.
It isn't false equivalence at all. Both homosexuality and 'Hysteria' in women were classed once as mental illness.
Actually that is exactly what it it. You are using a complete logical fallacy. Bi polar is also considered a mental illness... can I use that to support my case? No.. because it is a complete and utterly different scenario. The only thing your 2 examples have in common is that you think they are both not mental illnesses.
No. The psychiatric profession does not think they are mental illnesses, but they once did. Just as they also don't think being transgender is a mental illness but once did.
If you can stop deflecting for a moment, any chance of backing up your claim that transgender people are mentally ill?Err some in the psychiatric profession do see it as a mental illness.
In fact the WHO still lists it as a mental illness, sure they are considering changing it, but they havent there is a healthy debate and disagreement about it. You are the one that is painting it as some sort of 'done deal' that psychiatrists think it isnt a mental illness.
Here is a study showing it isn't a mental illnessMore studies are occurring, one study doesn't not a consensus make.. in ANY field, but especially a mental illness study. Especially in a politicised field like transgender.
Here is a trans person who eloquently states why she considers herself to have a mental illness
http://investmentwatchblog.com/i-believe-transgender-is-a-mental-illness/
Can you drop the nonsense claim that I am arguing against all psychiatrists now?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@gollum said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Bit of a weird law in the first place, kind of a hey look I have resolved this massive non-issue!
Further to the "its a non-issue!"
What a load of clap trap
Not using the bathroom they want is not causing suicides. These people have serious mental problems to even get to the point that they want to change sex. They need mental health care and supportive structures, not society giving in to their whims over bathrooms and pro nouns. Do people seriously think the suicide rate amongst these people will drop if they get to use the bathroom they want or be called a 'zwe'?
Nope. They are unwell and need proper help to understand and cope with the way they feel.whoa! Are you seriously saying that people with gender identity issues are mentally ill?
Yes I am . Whoa... are you saying they are not???
Correct. And I think you may find that your view is out of step with the psychiatric studies as well.
I guess you would have also been lining up the shock treatment for gays and "hysterical " women?I knew the false equivalence argument would come out as well. It is so predicable and ludicrous. If you want to discuss hysterical women or gays, do so. I am not interested in that. But don't use a logical fallacy to argue your case.
It isn't false equivalence at all. Both homosexuality and 'Hysteria' in women were classed once as mental illness.
Actually that is exactly what it it. You are using a complete logical fallacy. Bi polar is also considered a mental illness... can I use that to support my case? No.. because it is a complete and utterly different scenario. The only thing your 2 examples have in common is that you think they are both not mental illnesses.
No. The psychiatric profession does not think they are mental illnesses, but they once did. Just as they also don't think being transgender is a mental illness but once did.
If you can stop deflecting for a moment, any chance of backing up your claim that transgender people are mentally ill?Err some in the psychiatric profession do see it as a mental illness.
IN fat the WHO still lists it as a mental illnnes, sure they are considering changing it, but they havent there is a healthy debate and disagreement about it. You are the one that is painting it as some sort of 'done deal' that psychiatrists think it isnt a mental illness.
Here is a study showing it isn't.More studies are occurring, one study doesn't not a consensus make.. in ANY field, but especially a mental illness study. Especially in a politicised field like transgender.
Here is a trans person who eloquently states why she considers herself to have a mental illness
http://investmentwatchblog.com/i-believe-transgender-is-a-mental-illness/
Can you drop the nonsense claim that I am arguing against all psychiatrists now?
When did I use the word 'all'? Now you are trying to change my comments to suit your stance.
Of course there is never 100% agreement on anything, but you are wrong in asserting that the WHO lists it as a mental illness.Gregory Hartl, a spokesman for the WHO, said the ICD-10 doesn’t really list being transgender as a mental health disease — even if it is located in that chapter.
“The conditions in that block are not mental diseases, and gender incongruence is not classified as a mental disease — although that block is located inside the chapter ‘Mental and Behavioural Disorders,’” Hartl wrote in an email.
An overhaul of the massive code catalog has been in the works for nearly a decade. But the task has taken much longer than anticipated. Originally set to be published in 2012, the release of ICD-11 was pushed back to 2015. Then 2017. The current plan is to bring out the new document in 2018.
The reclassification of being transgender is part of a larger overhaul of the ICD-10. And that process has been hampered by a lack of resources — not to mention the enormous scope of the task — according to an external review committee.
“There have been some delays due to the pioneering nature of the overall endeavour and the limited resources to achieve the visionary aims of many of its component goals,” said a 2015 report by the panel.
Dr. Jack Drescher, a member of a volunteer working group revising the ICD’s section on sexual disorders and sexual health, said most of the group’s work has been conducted electronically. “I don’t think they have a lot of funding for this process.”
When ICD-11 is published, being transgender will be listed in a different part of the document, potentially under conditions related to sexual health, said Drescher, who is a New York psychiatrist and a professor of psychiatry at New York Medical College. “So they’ll be diagnoses, but they won’t be mental disorder diagnoses.”Also this...
The American Psychiatric Association, publisher of the DSM-5, states that "gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."
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