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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Erdogan in the US:
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Erdogan in the US:
They should be prosecuted, but they likely wont be, but they wouldnt have been under Obama, Bush or Clinton either.
Besides the general diplomatic immunity around these types of events, you mean?
I assume they cannot all have that.
If they have entered the country on diplomatic passports then by default they are afforded dip status under the Vienna Convention. It is usual for the entourage around a leader to travel on dip passports.
The local cops would probably have been made aware of this when sent to the protest and although it doesn't mean they gave Erdogan's guys a free reign it would have probably confused their dealing with the situation.
Cops don't usually know the ins and outs of the Vienna convention, they just know it exists and look to their superiors for advice while being careful not to cross any lines.
I'm not sure of the layout of where that took place but the police are not allowed to cross the boundary premise of a dip mission and are obliged to protect it.
Shit position for these cops to be in and I would think plenty of them were just as disgusted by what was happening as watchers of the video are. It wasn't expected and they certainly weren't prepared for it.
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@gollum Yes, you were banned for that, you had already been warned. It was discussed at the time and you were on your last warning for such behavior, it is a blatantly dishonest method of discussing a topic and derails entire discussions, you have done this on numerous occasions to numerous people and the moderators got sick of it.
You will continue to be banned if you continue to do it. If you want to apportion a position to someone, quote them.
Others dont have to be so careful because nobody else has a track record of using such dishonesty as a debate tool.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Erdogan in the US:
All future posts about your discussing moderation on the fern will also be removed, as has always been the policy.
I just deleted all of the off topic bollocks
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Heard a comment today by Chris Ryan and Mike Shermer musing that in these more recent secular times that politics in the US has replaced the role of religion in terms of polarising people and the lengths folks will go to get their point across.
I think it rings true in that: "My politician/god is better than your politician/god because I say so...yadda yadda yadda"
Particularly apt when comparing same god religions like catholics and protestants etc (I think they have the same core god don't they?)Got me to thinking what are people trying to prove....?
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@Siam said in Erdogan in the US:
Heard a comment today by Chris Ryan and Mike Shermer musing that in these more recent secular times that politics in the US has replaced the role of religion in terms of polarising people and the lengths folks will go to get their point across.
I think it rings true in that: "My politician/god is better than your politician/god because I say so...yadda yadda yadda"
Particularly apt when comparing same god religions like catholics and protestants etc (I think they have the same core god don't they?)Got me to thinking what are people trying to prove....?
Virtue Signalling.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Erdogan in the US:
@Siam said in Erdogan in the US:
Heard a comment today by Chris Ryan and Mike Shermer musing that in these more recent secular times that politics in the US has replaced the role of religion in terms of polarising people and the lengths folks will go to get their point across.
I think it rings true in that: "My politician/god is better than your politician/god because I say so...yadda yadda yadda"
Particularly apt when comparing same god religions like catholics and protestants etc (I think they have the same core god don't they?)Got me to thinking what are people trying to prove....?
Virtue Signalling.
I honestly have no idea what that means but thanks for writing to me.
Given your insights on here for about a decade, forgive me if I interpret that as derogatory or condescending to me
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@Siam said in Erdogan in the US:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Erdogan in the US:
@Siam said in Erdogan in the US:
Heard a comment today by Chris Ryan and Mike Shermer musing that in these more recent secular times that politics in the US has replaced the role of religion in terms of polarising people and the lengths folks will go to get their point across.
I think it rings true in that: "My politician/god is better than your politician/god because I say so...yadda yadda yadda"
Particularly apt when comparing same god religions like catholics and protestants etc (I think they have the same core god don't they?)Got me to thinking what are people trying to prove....?
Virtue Signalling.
I honestly have no idea what that means but thanks for writing to me.
Given your insights on here for about a decade, forgive me if I interpret that as derogatory or condescending to me
I'm don't think it's virtue signalling , that's an interesting perspective on politics though.
For future reference, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling
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@Siam said in Erdogan in the US:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Erdogan in the US:
@Siam said in Erdogan in the US:
Heard a comment today by Chris Ryan and Mike Shermer musing that in these more recent secular times that politics in the US has replaced the role of religion in terms of polarising people and the lengths folks will go to get their point across.
I think it rings true in that: "My politician/god is better than your politician/god because I say so...yadda yadda yadda"
Particularly apt when comparing same god religions like catholics and protestants etc (I think they have the same core god don't they?)Got me to thinking what are people trying to prove....?
Virtue Signalling.
I honestly have no idea what that means but thanks for writing to me.
Given your insights on here for about a decade, forgive me if I interpret that as derogatory or condescending to me
I was answering your question, if you dont know what I mean you could have just asked.. or googled it..
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How Netherlands responded to Erdogan's thugs
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@Siam google it, it's what celebrities do all the bloody time. He was answering your last question.
I think there's an element of truth in what you are saying. Religion is very much a 'group think' mentality and that applies to Democrats/Republicans or Left/Right too.
I don't like the idea of labelling myself as 'left' or 'right' as people will immediately assume my position on a variety of completely unrelated topics based on whose side I am on. I try to look at each issue in isolation and draw my own conclusions rather then blindly follow a particular politician or party.
That means that no matter who I vote for I am unlikely to agree with everything they say or stand for, and I think that is the best position to be in as you will be more likely to want to hold them accountable.
In the States right now half the population absolutely hate Trump and will do everything they can to protest his every action, whether what he does is good or bad, purely because they are on the left. And the other half of the population will support his every move and turn a blind eye to the bad stuff, purely because they are on the right. That's not an environment for any kind of healthy debate or discussion.
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