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I see they're looking to change the words to Advance Australia Fair.
I don't see a problem including a verse recognising the Aboriginies, but they can fuck off removing "we are young and free".
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@Rancid-Schnitzel what is the argument against that phrase?
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@No-Quarter said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel what is the argument against that phrase?
The argument is that "young" excludes aboriginals because they have been in Australia for thousands of years. The fact that this line refers to the indisputably young nation state of Australia is apparently irrelevant.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@No-Quarter said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel what is the argument against that phrase?
The argument is that "young" excludes aboriginals because they have been in Australia for thousands of years. The fact that this line refers to the indisputably young nation state of Australia is apparently irrelevant.
That's absolutely superb. I was racking my brain trying to find something offensive about that - the way they can take offense to just about anything is quite a skill.
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D@No-Quarter said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@No-Quarter said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel what is the argument against that phrase?
The argument is that "young" excludes aboriginals because they have been in Australia for thousands of years. The fact that this line refers to the indisputably young nation state of Australia is apparently irrelevant.
That's absolutely superb. I was racking my brain trying to find something offensive about that - the way they can take offense to just about anything is quite a skill.
Don't forget, it's also highly offensive to old people and those in prison. We can't have that.
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So after a religious nutjob Senator was disqualified, a Greens Senator and deputy leader posted the following on Twitter:
Ironically, it turns out he never rescinded his New Zealand citizenship so he has had to resign.
A week later, another Greens Senator decided to check her status (having been born in Canada) and found she too was ineligible as she was still a Canadian citizen.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
So after a religious nutjob Senator was disqualified, a Greens Senator and deputy leader posted the following on Twitter:
Ironically, it turns out he never rescinded his New Zealand citizenship so he has had to resign.
A week later, another Greens Senator decided to check her status (having been born in Canada) and found she too was ineligible as she was still a Canadian citizen.
Check her status? She had to check whether she had dual citizenship? Bullocks, she knew the whole time and realised she was about to get outed so front-footed it. You don't not know if you have dual citizenship. Two passports is a bit of a giveaway. I've had a pretty clear idea of my own British and NZ citizenship since I was about 4.
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@No-Quarter said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
So after a religious nutjob Senator was disqualified, a Greens Senator and deputy leader posted the following on Twitter:
Ironically, it turns out he never rescinded his New Zealand citizenship so he has had to resign.
A week later, another Greens Senator decided to check her status (having been born in Canada) and found she too was ineligible as she was still a Canadian citizen.
Check her status? She had to check whether she had dual citizenship? Bullocks, she knew the whole time and realised she was about to get outed so front-footed it. You don't not know if you have dual citizenship. Two passports is a bit of a giveaway. I've had a pretty clear idea of my own British and NZ citizenship since I was about 4.
Exactly. I actually think this is a stupid rule, but it is a very clear and (obviously) strictly enforced rule that you can't hold office if you are a duel citizen. At the very least they should have had it checked out. Now I hope Ludlam pays compensation for defrauding the taxpayer for 9 years. Knobhead.
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The fact Larissa Waters tried to turn it on her parents makes her look even more silly. You fill out a form if you want to run for Federal Parliament and it straight asks you. States that under the Constitution dual citizens are not eligible. Oversight I don't think so.
Both Ludlam and Waters have had this raised to them in previous years, but didn't want to front then. Now they've had to fall on their swords. A certain NSW Greens senator is probably laughing in her kale soup about it all....
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@No-Quarter said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
So after a religious nutjob Senator was disqualified, a Greens Senator and deputy leader posted the following on Twitter:
Ironically, it turns out he never rescinded his New Zealand citizenship so he has had to resign.
A week later, another Greens Senator decided to check her status (having been born in Canada) and found she too was ineligible as she was still a Canadian citizen.
Check her status? She had to check whether she had dual citizenship? Bullocks, she knew the whole time and realised she was about to get outed so front-footed it. You don't not know if you have dual citizenship. Two passports is a bit of a giveaway. I've had a pretty clear idea of my own British and NZ citizenship since I was about 4.
Exactly. I actually think this is a stupid rule, but it is a very clear and (obviously) strictly enforced rule that you can't hold office if you are a duel citizen. At the very least they should have had it checked out. Now I hope Ludlam pays compensation for defrauding the taxpayer for 9 years. Knobhead.
I don't know the specifics here but it is a pretty dumb rule and quite obvious has the capability of tripping up people with no intention to defraud.
Its one of those rules where Aus is assuming that other countries have similar rules to their own.In many places citizenship is conferred automatically on birth without anything formal being done. In Aus this isn't the case.
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@No-Quarter said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
So after a religious nutjob Senator was disqualified, a Greens Senator and deputy leader posted the following on Twitter:
Ironically, it turns out he never rescinded his New Zealand citizenship so he has had to resign.
A week later, another Greens Senator decided to check her status (having been born in Canada) and found she too was ineligible as she was still a Canadian citizen.
Check her status? She had to check whether she had dual citizenship? Bullocks, she knew the whole time and realised she was about to get outed so front-footed it. You don't not know if you have dual citizenship. Two passports is a bit of a giveaway. I've had a pretty clear idea of my own British and NZ citizenship since I was about 4.
You don't need a passport to be a citizen. You could easily assume the reverse eg born in NZ while your Australian parents were on holiday, grew up all your life as an Australian citizen and had no idea that despite neither yourself or your parents applying for anything in NZ you are an automatic citizen there as well.
NZ is fairly unique in that pre 2006 ANYONE born here was automatically a citizen.
They can easily fix this though by the multiple citizenship status in NZ being removed for them due to acting "in a manner that is contrary to the interests of New Zealand". -
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@Crucial It's unbelievably simple: You know you were born overseas. You know the Consitution doesn't permit dual citizenship so you check.
True, but the proof that people don't necessarily do that is obvious.
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@Crucial said in Aussie Politics:
Was that section 44 in the constitution from 1920?
Because there was no Australian citizenship until 1949 and everyone was a 'British Subject' holding rights to citizenship in Britain. Some PMs were even born there.
Was a point that a lawyer was making this week: countries like Canada and NZ should be with a challenge due to shared Commonwealth and HoS
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@Crucial said in Aussie Politics:
NZ is fairly unique in that pre 2006 ANYONE born here was automatically a citizen.
It's unique now - but for the current cohort of politicians it was the norm. Australia did away with it in 1986, Canada in 1977 (10 days after Waters was born) many other Commonwealth countries throughout the 90s with NZ and Ireland being some of the last to add a variant of 'one parent must be a PR/Citizen'
Really tells you all you need to know about The Greens - always happy to snipe from the sidelines, knock, and criticize - but when charged with a modicum of responsibility fall at the first hurdle.
This should be relaxed somewhat to allow citizens sharing the Queen as a head of state to retain dual citizenship.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@Crucial said in Aussie Politics:
Was that section 44 in the constitution from 1920?
Because there was no Australian citizenship until 1949 and everyone was a 'British Subject' holding rights to citizenship in Britain. Some PMs were even born there.
Was a point that a lawyer was making this week: countries like Canada and NZ should be with a challenge due to shared Commonwealth and HoS
The way that Section 44 is worded you could argue that no Australian citizen is eligible because they are all "entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or citizen of a foreign power" eg Australians in NZ are entitled to Student Loans. That cannot even be argued to be a mutually agreed privilege. We just hand it out with nothing in return.
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