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@crucial said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
I just don't care if it is ridiculous or not. It isn't official, doesn't use any of my resources and is someone trying to do something.
My initial reaction was to laugh at it as well but I took a minute to check the backstory and thought 'who cares'.
If the bins are collecting knives then someone is making a conscious decision to put them in there which means they are thinking about what they are doing. Fine by me.Do you think it will prevent one single knife attack?
I think it may. You never know. Hardly measurable.
Does it matter though?Edit: Here is a testimonial for the charity's work. It is an opinion of course, but supported by facts. (Doesn't mention the bins, but does mention the amnesty the bins play a part in)
Within the last 18 months Tendring suffered from a spate of Knife point robberies in the summer months, arrests were made, a local criminal network was split up. Only Cowards Carry set the bar at a very high standard around the support to the preventative side of this activity, significant numbers of youths were briefed, media appeals were made and a knife amnesty was delivered to take weapons off the local streets and assist in raising awareness of the problem. Significantly figures show that through the considerable partnership efforts Serious Violent crime within the age group of 15 - 25 year olds has been reduced by 25%, Only Cowards were a key factor in making this real difference to the local youth.
- Chief Inspector, -Tendring District Commander Russ Cole 2015
Yes it must have been the bins.
Are you deliberately trying not to understand the picture here to make your own point? If so I won't waste any more time on it.
One last attempt though (only because I am pig-headed.The bins are PART of a package of actions based around educating and influencing young people about the consequences of carrying knifes. They don't just randomly get placed around hoping someone might see cookie monster and decide to cough up their weapons.
There is opinion provided by police and supported by stats that the package of actions has a positive effect in reducing serious violent crime.To keep focussing solely on the bins as if they are a ridiculous attempt to solve a complex problem by themselves is disingenuous.
OK Crucial. My bad. Bins with pictures of the Cookie Monster on them are a brilliant way to stop knife crime and in no way are a waste of money and resources. The proof of that? Well you can't prove otherwise so there.
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@siam said in British Politics:
Well there are at least 3 more people on this thread alone who've given knife crime a second thought so it's already had some benefit.
What a strange world when anything you can't understand is an utterly ridiculous waste of time
What an utterly ridiculous comment. Are we the target "market" here? Well 3 more people on TSF know about knife crime. That'll put a dent in those crime stats.
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@majorrage said in British Politics:
I can 't find the youtube, but your response to Crucial's comments seems to suggest you should follow another of Homer Simpsons quotes ..
"Never Try"
Fark it, I'm not going to let that slide. This isn't about not trying or doing one's utmost to stop or prevent something. This is not about never even trying ffs. It is about critiquing one of the methods used. According to some here this particular method is above criticism regardless of how absurd it clearly is. It's a bin with Cookie Monster on it ffs. To stop knife crime. It might have all the best intentions in the world but it's still farking stupid.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
I can 't find the youtube, but your response to Crucial's comments seems to suggest you should follow another of Homer Simpsons quotes ..
"Never Try"
Fark it, I'm not going to let that slide. This isn't about not trying or doing one's utmost to stop or prevent something. This is not about never even trying ffs. It is about critiquing one of the methods used. According to some here this particular method is above criticism regardless of how absurd it clearly is. It's a bin with Cookie Monster on it ffs. To stop knife crime. It might have all the best intentions in the world but it's still farking stupid.
No! That is where you are simply flat out wrong.
You weren't criticized by anybody, least of all me, for critiquing the absurd nature of what is being tried here. Where I and others have jumped in is your insistence that this is doing nothing / a waste of time after Crucial explained what it was about, and subsequently provided some outside thoughts on it.
If this was all the Met was doing to reduce knife crime - hell, you are 100% correct. But it's not. It's not even part of what they are doing.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
I can 't find the youtube, but your response to Crucial's comments seems to suggest you should follow another of Homer Simpsons quotes ..
"Never Try"
Fark it, I'm not going to let that slide. This isn't about not trying or doing one's utmost to stop or prevent something. This is not about never even trying ffs. It is about critiquing one of the methods used.
Is it?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
I can 't find the youtube, but your response to Crucial's comments seems to suggest you should follow another of Homer Simpsons quotes ..
"Never Try"
Fark it, I'm not going to let that slide. This isn't about not trying or doing one's utmost to stop or prevent something. This is not about never even trying ffs. It is about critiquing one of the methods used. According to some here this particular method is above criticism regardless of how absurd it clearly is. It's a bin with Cookie Monster on it ffs. To stop knife crime. It might have all the best intentions in the world but it's still farking stupid.
What does ffs provide to an argument or opinion?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
I just don't care if it is ridiculous or not. It isn't official, doesn't use any of my resources and is someone trying to do something.
My initial reaction was to laugh at it as well but I took a minute to check the backstory and thought 'who cares'.
If the bins are collecting knives then someone is making a conscious decision to put them in there which means they are thinking about what they are doing. Fine by me.Do you think it will prevent one single knife attack?
Is it going to cause any?
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@majorrage said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
I can 't find the youtube, but your response to Crucial's comments seems to suggest you should follow another of Homer Simpsons quotes ..
"Never Try"
Fark it, I'm not going to let that slide. This isn't about not trying or doing one's utmost to stop or prevent something. This is not about never even trying ffs. It is about critiquing one of the methods used. According to some here this particular method is above criticism regardless of how absurd it clearly is. It's a bin with Cookie Monster on it ffs. To stop knife crime. It might have all the best intentions in the world but it's still farking stupid.
No! That is where you are simply flat out wrong.
You weren't criticized by anybody, least of all me, for critiquing the absurd nature of what is being tried here. Where I and others have jumped in is your insistence that this is doing nothing / a waste of time after Crucial explained what it was about, and subsequently provided some outside thoughts on it.
If this was all the Met was doing to reduce knife crime - hell, you are 100% correct. But it's not. It's not even part of what they are doing.
Look I don't know how hard this is to understand. I am aware of the backstory and aware of the beautiful and awesome intent behind them. E for effort. But they are still ridiculous and a waste of time and resources that could have been used on other more effective methods, i. e. ones that don't involve Sesame Street characters.
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@crucial said in British Politics:
What is certain is that the bins will have no effect on people that choose not to be educated or informed.
Looks like there is a similar effect around discussing their effectiveness.
For christ sake. You can bang on all day about the origin and intent behind them. You can get a university degree majoring in Cookie Monster knife amnesty bins. But they are and will remain a ridiculous waste of time, money and resources that could have been used otherwise.
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@booboo said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
I just don't care if it is ridiculous or not. It isn't official, doesn't use any of my resources and is someone trying to do something.
My initial reaction was to laugh at it as well but I took a minute to check the backstory and thought 'who cares'.
If the bins are collecting knives then someone is making a conscious decision to put them in there which means they are thinking about what they are doing. Fine by me.Do you think it will prevent one single knife attack?
Is it going to cause any?
Can you prove it won't? Therefore I say it will.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
I can 't find the youtube, but your response to Crucial's comments seems to suggest you should follow another of Homer Simpsons quotes ..
"Never Try"
Fark it, I'm not going to let that slide. This isn't about not trying or doing one's utmost to stop or prevent something. This is not about never even trying ffs. It is about critiquing one of the methods used. According to some here this particular method is above criticism regardless of how absurd it clearly is. It's a bin with Cookie Monster on it ffs. To stop knife crime. It might have all the best intentions in the world but it's still farking stupid.
No! That is where you are simply flat out wrong.
You weren't criticized by anybody, least of all me, for critiquing the absurd nature of what is being tried here. Where I and others have jumped in is your insistence that this is doing nothing / a waste of time after Crucial explained what it was about, and subsequently provided some outside thoughts on it.
If this was all the Met was doing to reduce knife crime - hell, you are 100% correct. But it's not. It's not even part of what they are doing.
Look I don't know how hard this is to understand. I am aware of the backstory and aware of the beautiful and awesome intent behind them. E for effort. But they are still ridiculous and a waste of time and resources that could have been used on other more effective methods, i. e. ones that don't involve Sesame Street characters.
I've been leaning towards your point of view that it's a waste of time, but I wonder if there is a reason they used the muppet that is going over our heads? Like when I see a meme and go wonder what the hell is going on and have to look it up.
So I would temper the reaction with that.
I was pleased it was nothing official, because that would be a piss weak official response. They need more police, and to spend less time cracking down on free speech and more on solving crime. Rape and murder would be a good start.
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If anyone thinks the the govt doesnt fund that cookie monster box, I have a bridge to sell you.
It will be costing the taxpayer thousands of pounds per butter knife dropped in the box -
I want to read that they sold cookies to crowd fund it.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
What is certain is that the bins will have no effect on people that choose not to be educated or informed.
Looks like there is a similar effect around discussing their effectiveness.
For christ sake. You can bang on all day about the origin and intent behind them. You can get a university degree majoring in Cookie Monster knife amnesty bins. But they are and will remain a ridiculous waste of time, money and resources that could have been used otherwise.
Try this angle. Explain your reasons why they are a ridiculous waste of time, money and resources instead of continually stating so.
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@crucial said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
What is certain is that the bins will have no effect on people that choose not to be educated or informed.
Looks like there is a similar effect around discussing their effectiveness.
For christ sake. You can bang on all day about the origin and intent behind them. You can get a university degree majoring in Cookie Monster knife amnesty bins. But they are and will remain a ridiculous waste of time, money and resources that could have been used otherwise.
Try this angle. Explain your reasons why they are a ridiculous waste of time, money and resources instead of continually stating so.
Are you serious? I don't know. Maybe the entire concept. But the intent is great and that's all that matters right?
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@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
If anyone thinks the the govt doesnt fund that cookie monster box, I have a bridge to sell you.
It will be costing the taxpayer thousands of pounds per butter knife dropped in the boxI think you may be correct, those tax deductions on donations when the money could be spent on beer and fags instead divided by a couple of butter knives found among the sharps would quite possibly equal thousands.
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