Boxingball
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Boxingball:
@pukunui said in Boxingball:
He ends up at the other end of the court ffs. How is that not running away?
Edit: which by the way would be fine apart from the fact HE was the one who threw a cheap elbow to the head to kick it all off. Can dish out the thug but can't take it.
What would you have done in the same situation? Fought the entire team? When you have just been king hit and have a mob trying to kick the shit out of you, only an idiot is going to stand and fight.
And he didn't kick it all off. He was responding to his team mate getting taken out. You reckon after seeing that footage that the Filipinos would have remained calm if it had been the other way round?
And here we go round in circles again. What does what i would do in this situation have to do with anything?
Im pointing out that i think it is weak to give someone a cheap flying elbow to the head and then start running around like someone is trying to murder you. Happy to dish it out but scared shitless when there is retaliation.If you don't think his elbow kicked it off you are fucking blind.
Here's a tip, if you want it to be one on one don't go throwing cheap shots in a situation that doesn't involve you. This is how 100% of brawls i have seen start off, someone throwing a coward punch into an already heated situation.
The fact he seems to be escaping any criticism is pretty ridiculous really.
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@pukunui said in Boxingball:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Boxingball:
@pukunui said in Boxingball:
He ends up at the other end of the court ffs. How is that not running away?
Edit: which by the way would be fine apart from the fact HE was the one who threw a cheap elbow to the head to kick it all off. Can dish out the thug but can't take it.
What would you have done in the same situation? Fought the entire team? When you have just been king hit and have a mob trying to kick the shit out of you, only an idiot is going to stand and fight.
And he didn't kick it all off. He was responding to his team mate getting taken out. You reckon after seeing that footage that the Filipinos would have remained calm if it had been the other way round?
And here we go round in circles again. What does what i would do in this situation have to do with anything?
Im pointing out that i think it is weak to give someone a cheap flying elbow to the head and then start running around like someone is trying to murder you. Happy to dish it out but scared shitless when there is retaliation.If you don't think his elbow kicked it off you are fucking blind.
Here's a tip, if you want it to be one on one don't go throwing cheap shots in a situation that doesn't involve you. This is how 100% of brawls i have seen start off, someone throwing a coward punch into an already heated situation.
The fact he seems to be escaping any criticism is pretty ridiculous really.
If you're going to bag a guy out and lable him a coward then yes, it would be nice to know how you would have reacted.
The only person who is fucking blind is the guy watching from the safety of his living room who still thinks he was a coward. Not to mention completely ignoring what happened before Kickert retaliated.
What do you mean he's escaping criticism? He's been rightly criticised and hopefully will be suspended. But that doesn't justify the appalling actions of the Filipino players and their coach. It's also laughable to claim that elbow came from nowhere and wasn't in retaliation to a Filipino team who had been literally told to "hit someone".
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This is what the pussy should have done:
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@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@nepia said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
the smiling on-court selfie from their team afterwards defies belief. You've just had your entire team ejected or fouled out, while down by 30, that massive fight happened, and you take a fucking team selfie? What the actual fuck?
Apart from cleaners, can anyone point to anything good coming out of the Philippines? They voted in Duterte ffs.
my wife's incredibly sexy friend is half Filipino?
Is the other half Czech?
Spanish?
@hooroo said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
the smiling on-court selfie from their team afterwards defies belief. You've just had your entire team ejected or fouled out, while down by 30, that massive fight happened, and you take a fucking team selfie? What the actual fuck?
Apart from cleaners, can anyone point to anything good coming out of the Philippines? They voted in Duterte ffs.
Their hookers are awesome!!
Wait! Did I say that out loud?
I thought mariner made that point earlier, if somewhat more tactfully.
i absolutely did not
Aha! Fake news on the Silverfern?
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@booboo said in Boxingball:
Some quite passionate side taking here.
Both sides wrong. Some individuals more wrong than others.
Can someone explain the sticker thing and why this was so divisive? I no understand.
Could you please teach us all what is right?
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@majorrage said in Boxingball:
@booboo said in Boxingball:
Some quite passionate side taking here.
Both sides wrong. Some individuals more wrong than others.
Can someone explain the sticker thing and why this was so divisive? I no understand.
Could you please teach us all what is right?
Ahhh ok ...
Tripping the opposition players in the warm up before the game
Telling your players to hit someone
Smashing an elbow into an opposition player after a foul
Heaving flying kicks and knees at people
Smashing blokes while they're on the groundAll of the above qualify as "wrong" in my interpretation, and I would've expected most other people's. These weren't exclusive to one side.
Hope I never get to play you at basketball.
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I have a couple of Filipinos in my team at work and we had a good chuckle over this. One said she thought it may not have kicked off the way it did if it wasn't in Manila (rep for being a bit rough). But fuckloads of niggle leading up to the tipping point, nobody comes away looking good.
It was like real life Arch Rivals.
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It's funny looking at some of the Twitter comments from Filipinos. It does back up Siam's point that the culture is so different there in the way they view these things.
I know that if the roles were reversed, there would be mass outrage in Australia. Coaches and staff sacked, players banned, probably a few suits would go as well.
But a lot of the comments in the Philippines are lauding their players for 'not backing down' and 'having eachothers backs', talking about the 'Filipino fighting spirit' etc etc etc
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I'm still astonished a sport that so clearly favours height is so popular.
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@antipodean said in Boxingball:
I'm still astonished a sport that so clearly favours height is so popular.
you are so woke
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@no-quarter said in Boxingball:
I have a couple of Filipinos in my team at work and we had a good chuckle over this. One said she thought it may not have kicked off the way it did if it wasn't in Manila (rep for being a bit rough). But fuckloads of niggle leading up to the tipping point, nobody comes away looking good.
It was like real life Arch Rivals.
That was a great video game. Vinnie and Mohawk would have destroyed everyone.
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@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
I'm still astonished a sport that so clearly favours height is so popular.
you are so woke
I looked up Wiki to see what that means: Woke is a political term of African American origin that refers to a perceived awareness of issues concerning social justice and racial justice. It is derived from the African American Vernacular English expression "stay woke", whose grammatical aspect refers to a continuing awareness of these issues.
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@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
I'm still astonished a sport that so clearly favours height is so popular.
you are so woke
I looked up Wiki to see what that means: Woke is a political term of African American origin that refers to a perceived awareness of issues concerning social justice and racial justice. It is derived from the African American Vernacular English expression "stay woke", whose grammatical aspect refers to a continuing awareness of these issues.
so what you are telling me is, a white person using the term "woke" is cultural appropriation? well well
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@antipodean said in Boxingball:
I'm still astonished a sport that so clearly favours height is so popular.
Height is a definite advantage, but physical prowess is important in most games isn't it? But it is a game that is skilled and can be played and enjoyed by people of all sizes
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@ACT-Crusader
@Rancid-SchnitzelFellas, Your assumptions were indeed correct and I hadn't seen all the footage of the brawl. So to go off half cocked was certainly my bad and I apologise for wasting some of your time and energy (thought you were a bit more irrascible than usual ). poor form by me.
The reaction to the elbow was indeed way way too much, and it wasn't so much of a "typical" brawl
But (yep here it comes!) I'm still certain of my position that Kickert was the touch paper that ignited this nonsense, and his actions were naieve and worthy of strong censure, but more importantly a reminder of the peril of taking sporting laws into your own hands - a lesson that losing self control in a controlled environment (official match with referees) is universall discouraged (despite provocation because all hell can break loose.
As I said on first viewing my thoughts were "fuck man don't do that in that country and in that charged atmosphere with your team being so outnumbered. You'll get a flogging and no local sympathy"
Thinking about it, my attitude comes from 20 odd years with these type of cultures. I've certainly become desensitised to this mob violence but I certainly remember all the learning I went through and my initial reactions 2 decades ago reflected the same outrage incredulity and disgust initially, only to be replaced with a strong sense of "cause and effect" explanations.
I was in the Philippines playing cricket when a similar thing happened in that a Pakistani and an Indian team and spectators got so riled up that people were grabbing bats, stumps and wood and screaming and posturing. It was fucken frightful and the only reason it didn't kick off was because no one actually crossed the line by obviously striking someone. I restrained (verbally) a yank on his high horse who was playing moral arbiter in all this and I still reckon I saved his life, and mine.
This thing couldn't really escalate in NZ or Aus because the majority of bystanders wouldn't allow it to, but in PP there is not much of that moral reasoning restraint or contemplation.
I've seen a mob kick to death a guy in Bangkok who was threatening his own baby in a suicide type scenario. Cops took 3 hours to talk him down and then couldn't stop a mob of mostly women wailing in with fists and boots till he was lifeless on the concrete. You can feel the tension in the air - it's like invisible prickles and everyone's face is anxious
Oh well, shouldn't have threatened the baby, was how everyone resolved it.
Last April I got called in to counsel (talk to) an Aussie family holidaying in Thailand. 18 year old son was having a great time in the bars, where it does feel like anything goes, and was banging his jandals on a table in time to the music. Got asked to stop by barman but him and the group didn't and next thing a local shoved a pistol to his temple. Happy ending (not intended) because, luckily, the Thai broke the first rule of brandishing a weapon in that culture - "If you pull it, you have to use it"
Countless times I've been bemused why locals haven't absolutely fucken smashed some rude Aussie tourists who to all intents and purposes were asking for a hiding in most cultures
My point?
You got to be ultra aware of your surroundings and what looks like pandering to a ridiculous and bullshit display of behaviour (and it so fucken is!) is often times the best solution.
Aussies should have left things in the refs hands (FIBA sanctioned wasn't it?), taken the win, got to the airport and then vented in safety.
Must be noted that Kickert's response has been highly commendable and I'd say lesson learned.
Highlight his shortcomings as that's fixable, the Philipinos penchant and willingness to go apeshit, not so fixable I'm afraid.
One spark ignites a forest, one punch ignites a mob
and a face palm for me...
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@siam said in Boxingball:
@ACT-Crusader
@Rancid-SchnitzelFellas, Your assumptions were indeed correct and I hadn't seen all the footage of the brawl. So to go off half cocked was certainly my bad and I apologise for wasting some of your time and energy (thought you were a bit more irrascible than usual ). poor form by me.
The reaction to the elbow was indeed way way too much, and it wasn't so much of a "typical" brawl
But (yep here it comes!) I'm still certain of my position that Kickert was the touch paper that ignited this nonsense, and his actions were naieve and worthy of strong censure, but more importantly a reminder of the peril of taking sporting laws into your own hands - a lesson that losing self control in a controlled environment (official match with referees) is universall discouraged (despite provocation because all hell can break loose.
As I said on first viewing my thoughts were "fuck man don't do that in that country and in that charged atmosphere with your team being so outnumbered. You'll get a flogging and no local sympathy"
Thinking about it, my attitude comes from 20 odd years with these type of cultures. I've certainly become desensitised to this mob violence but I certainly remember all the learning I went through and my initial reactions 2 decades ago reflected the same outrage incredulity and disgust initially, only to be replaced with a strong sense of "cause and effect" explanations.
I was in the Philippines playing cricket when a similar thing happened in that a Pakistani and an Indian team and spectators got so riled up that people were grabbing bats, stumps and wood and screaming and posturing. It was fucken frightful and the only reason it didn't kick off was because no one actually crossed the line by obviously striking someone. I restrained (verbally) a yank on his high horse who was playing moral arbiter in all this and I still reckon I saved his life, and mine.
This thing couldn't really escalate in NZ or Aus because the majority of bystanders wouldn't allow it to, but in PP there is not much of that moral reasoning restraint or contemplation.
I've seen a mob kick to death a guy in Bangkok who was threatening his own baby in a suicide type scenario. Cops took 3 hours to talk him down and then couldn't stop a mob of mostly women wailing in with fists and boots till he was lifeless on the concrete. You can feel the tension in the air - it's like invisible prickles and everyone's face is anxious
Oh well, shouldn't have threatened the baby, was how everyone resolved it.
Last April I got called in to counsel (talk to) an Aussie family holidaying in Thailand. 18 year old son was having a great time in the bars, where it does feel like anything goes, and was banging his jandals on a table in time to the music. Got asked to stop by barman but him and the group didn't and next thing a local shoved a pistol to his temple. Happy ending (not intended) because, luckily, the Thai broke the first rule of brandishing a weapon in that culture - "If you pull it, you have to use it"
Countless times I've been bemused why locals haven't absolutely fucken smashed some rude Aussie tourists who to all intents and purposes were asking for a hiding in most cultures
My point?
You got to be ultra aware of your surroundings and what looks like pandering to a ridiculous and bullshit display of behaviour (and it so fucken is!) is often times the best solution.
Aussies should have left things in the refs hands (FIBA sanctioned wasn't it?), taken the win, got to the airport and then vented in safety.
Must be noted that Kickert's response has been highly commendable and I'd say lesson learned.
Highlight his shortcomings as that's fixable, the Philipinos penchant and willingness to go apeshit, not so fixable I'm afraid.
One spark ignites a forest, one punch ignites a mob
and a face palm for me...
Awesome post Siam. You know more about the culture than we do clearly. I think the Aussies were a bit silly to be like that in front of such a feral crowd.