Grace Millane
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@jegga said in Grace Millane:
@mooshld said in Grace Millane:
@jegga said in Grace Millane:
@mooshld just out of interest what do you think about the way they handled the latest sexual assault case ?
Because that behaviour particularly so early in their first term has clouded everything that’s come out of her mouth since for me.Especially compared to the way the left and the press here behaved after Key made a cock of himself pulling a waitresses hair.
Hey I don't follow every case in NZ, this is big international news hence discussing it. I just did not understand how people interpreted the statement negatively. Thanks to a civil chat with @No-Quarter I can now see how people could take it that way. I still don't but thats okay.
I do remember the case of Key. I thought it was creepy and weird. I guess the difference there is he did actually do the act himself. Anyway like I said I am no expert on Current affairs in NZ.
I was meaning based on what I told you .
They covered the previous two sex abuse cases completely up and similarly closed ranks when a 16 year old boy was found running naked in the early hours of the morning from Darren Hughes house which resulted in no conviction. To see them suddenly give a shit about victims of a crime looks very cynical to me after that .
Sorry I am not going to be drawn in to giving an opinion based on some of your posts about an incident I don't fully understand and a response from the PM or government I have no knowledge of. I just don't have enough to form an opinion.
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@majorrage I expect it would have gone down exactly the same if the PM had simply offered condolences rather than apologising for me for not prowling the streets as a vigilante looking for people to protect while this Cnut took that poor girls life, instead I was at home with my kids...for that I apologize.
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@mokey said in Grace Millane:
She could have expressed her sadness at the act and reiterated how safe NZ is on the whole for tourists and left it at that.
But making us all shamed and responsible for one man's actions is bloody ridiculous. Ditto for implying the welcome of the whole country is tarnished by this act. Millions of people come here every year and have the best time, and will continue to do so. Because it is relatively safe. But as in every country, there will always be sick fucks who do terrible things. And the rest of us sure as hell aren't responsible or at fault for that.
This. Especially because if you asked most of the population sentences are too light and there are two many dangerous people walking our streets who should be locked up. True or not, that’s what most people think.
But the government’s stated policy is that there should be fewer people in prisons and sentences are too long.
So if responsibility is going to be taken, by all means let Ardern take it. But on behalf of her government, not the entire population. Then do something about it. If this turns out to be drug induced or mental health related, maybe look at providing some support for those areas rather than giving it all to thirsty first year uni students.
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@jc said in Grace Millane:
@mokey said in Grace Millane:
She could have expressed her sadness at the act and reiterated how safe NZ is on the whole for tourists and left it at that.
But making us all shamed and responsible for one man's actions is bloody ridiculous. Ditto for implying the welcome of the whole country is tarnished by this act. Millions of people come here every year and have the best time, and will continue to do so. Because it is relatively safe. But as in every country, there will always be sick fucks who do terrible things. And the rest of us sure as hell aren't responsible or at fault for that.
This. Especially because if you asked most of the population sentences are too light and there are two many dangerous people walking our streets who should be locked up. True or not, that’s what most people think.
But the government’s stated policy is that there should be fewer people in prisons and sentences are too long.
So if responsibility is going to be taken, by all means let Ardern take it. But on behalf of her government, not the entire population. Then do something about it. If this turns out to be drug induced or mental health related, maybe look at providing some support for those areas rather than giving it all to thirsty first year uni students.
Their attitude to crime is bizarre, almost repealed three strikes till Winston stepped in , want to close prisons , reduce sentences and then there’s the Czech drug dealer.
If you’re a victim of a crime and it’s a great photo op they are there for you though .
Imagine if our press was actually prepared to ask them some tough questions about this?
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@mooshld said in Grace Millane:
@mokey said in Grace Millane:
@mooshld Doesn't even have to be Tinder-related. I was a bit younger than Grace when I lived overseas. One day I got off the subway to walk home for lunch before afternoon classes and some guy in a suit grabbed me and tried to drag me down an alley. I was wearing jeans and a sweater.
Acting like this shit only happens when women are drunk or underdressed or meeting a stranger in a bar is completely false. There are fuckwits everywhere who think they are entitled to things they aren't. No, I don't blame all men, or all Taiwanese people for the incident. It was one man who got a punch to the head for his efforts.
I wasn't trying to imply this only happens on hookups. Was just trying to highlight how we just take for granted how much easier some things are for most of us posters on this forum.
My wife saw a guy hit on a girl, on her train, last weekend. The girls said she wasn't interested. He spat in her face as he left the train. That just doesn't happen in the other direction.
Sorry, but that's the dumbest statement on the internet today
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@raznomore Good grief. What a fucking stupid article. It's not a long list, and they were so desperate to elongate it they stretched back to 1969.
Yes, dumbasses, even safe countries have murders. And I really don't think Australia should be casting stones about tourist murders...
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@jc said in Grace Millane:
So if responsibility is going to be taken, by all means let Ardern take it. But on behalf of her government, not the entire population. Then do something about it. If this turns out to be drug induced or mental health related, maybe look at providing some support for those areas rather than giving it all to thirsty first year uni students.
This. In doing so it would demonstrate she actually mean what she said - a policy response to a problem she acknowledges exists. It's what you expect of mature governments.
But in the absence, her statements take on the appearance many in this thread are complaining about. All style, no substance.
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@mokey said in Grace Millane:
@raznomore Good grief. What a fucking stupid article. It's not a long list, and they were so desperate to elongate it they stretched back to 1969.
Yes, dumbasses, even safe countries have murders. And I really don't think Australia should be casting stones about tourist murders...
The place where British back packers never come back from..
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@antipodean this: all style, no substance.
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@virgil Thailand has a Grace every week!
Often with explicit naked corpse photos on MSM tv and print. Then comes a sham trial and a stitch up of some poor migrant.
The well practiced procedure of Authorities to media is express sincere remorse to the family and reiterate that the police have a job to do and we should let the investigation progress.
End of response.
Tourism never misses a step despite people virtue signalling the house down
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@siam said in Grace Millane:
@antipodean this: all style, no substance.
This was confirmed on her trip to the UN when she hired an ad agency at taxpayers expense to follow her around taking photos of her Gaylord and Neve in New York.
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence the agency were donors to Labours election campaign.I wonder what job she’s setting herself up for? UN , UNICEF , there’s a few options I guess.
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@antipodean said in Grace Millane:
@jc said in Grace Millane:
So if responsibility is going to be taken, by all means let Ardern take it. But on behalf of her government, not the entire population. Then do something about it. If this turns out to be drug induced or mental health related, maybe look at providing some support for those areas rather than giving it all to thirsty first year uni students.
This. In doing so it would demonstrate she actually mean what she said - a policy response to a problem she acknowledges exists. It's what you expect of mature governments.
But in the absence, her statements take on the appearance many in this thread are complaining about. All style, no substance.
From her campaign to her government, she is the epitomy of style over substance. The most sane person in the government is Winston, and I'm choking back vomit saying that
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Now, I am aware of what I said regarding The Apology but today my feeling on the "Grieving NZers" and "Your pain is our shame" is one of, well, embarrassment.
The level of outrage and number of people publicly grieving for an outsider is frankly almost vomit inducing. Not because this poor girl is not worth it. But because our own people are too.The next time a native baby is killed or a native woman is raped I 100% know this public spectacle and vigil will not fucken happen.
And NZ media you need to just stop fucken now with this "shame" & "grieving" bullshit.
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Cynical question: do these vigils happen if we remove social media? Would so many be attending if they couldn't narcissistically post about it online?
Any of you old buggers remember anything like this happening before? The reaction seems way OTT given we never get vigils for, say, the innocent children that are regularly killed in domestic violence incidents.
(Edited but probably too late for anyone to take this post seriously now)
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@Bones haha damn new phone with auto correct
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@no-quarter said in Grace Millane:
Cynical question: do these vigils happen if we remove social media? Would so many be attending if they couldn't narcissistically post about it online?
Any of you old buggers remember anything like this happening before? The reaction seems way OTT given we never get vigils for, say, the innocent children that are regularly killed in domestic violence incidents.
(Edited but probably too late for anyone to take this post seriously now)
Nope . I don’t remember there being grief olympics held before social media .