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@Virgil and is only trying to return as they lost... so it's not like she's come to her senses and walked away from the winning side. By the limited info so far it appears she still believes in the cause too.
@Siam (whoops forgot to tag you) I applaud your stance on rehab and how that might help broader engagement with extremists. Reading the blurb about losing two kids I couldn't help but think that would add another layer of trauma.
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@Paekakboyz Yeah mate, it's all about the major objective - for me that is complete eradication of militant Islam.
I view the girl in the same light as the drug issue. She's a user at the end of the chain. It's the kingpin we need to get.
Look after her, send a message to others that they can leave this terrorist organisation. I actually believe most of the recruited kids come to realise the SNAFU they are in.
Persecute her and Jonny Jihad tells the others, "see your society hates you. Want some more heroin?"
Leaving that religion safely is a massive and overlooked problem
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@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Is it any wonder there is so much racism in NZ when shitcunts like this try this?
I don't think shitcunts like this really cause racism. You've got to be a shitcunt yourself if you're racist because of another shitcunt trying to game the system.
I note that his lawyer has said he'll likely quit if he runs with it (I just wrote a sentence about disbarring the lawyer in Fern fashion before actually having a read of the article).
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@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Is it any wonder there is so much racism in NZ when shitcunts like this try this?
I don't think shitcunts like this really cause racism. You've got to be a shitcunt yourself if you're racist because of another shitcunt trying to game the system.
I note that his lawyer has said he'll likely quit if he runs with it (I just wrote a sentence about disbarring the lawyer in Fern fashion before actually having a read of the article).
I’d like to see him released on these grounds and dropped off at @snowy s house , I’m sure it’s not illegal to make a jacket out of a sovereign citizen.
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@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Is it any wonder there is so much racism in NZ when shitcunts like this try this?
I don't think shitcunts like this really cause racism. You've got to be a shitcunt yourself if you're racist because of another shitcunt trying to game the system.
I note that his lawyer has said he'll likely quit if he runs with it (I just wrote a sentence about disbarring the lawyer in Fern fashion before actually having a read of the article).
Well yeah you're right of course but less level headed folk than us will get, how do I put it....'triggered' to say the least.
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@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Is it any wonder there is so much racism in NZ when shitcunts like this try this?
I don't think shitcunts like this really cause racism. You've got to be a shitcunt yourself if you're racist because of another shitcunt trying to game the system.
I note that his lawyer has said he'll likely quit if he runs with it (I just wrote a sentence about disbarring the lawyer in Fern fashion before actually having a read of the article).
Well yeah you're right of course but less level headed folk than us will get, how do I put it....'triggered' to say the least.
Yeah, the right get triggered so easily these days.
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@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 bro, check it out
If my life wasn't complete before well it is now....
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@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Everybody on here has changed opinions over their lives, mostly through better education. It's a natural progression in life. Our society depends on it.
On the one hand we're disgusted by a death sentence for apostasy, on the other we want to condemn someone that wishes to leave this ghastly extreme aspect of that religion. That gives someone no options
The cornerstone of a truly vile ideology popular at the moment, is one of permanent punishment, where an apology for a trivial "transgression " will not let you keep your job. We can't subscribe to that nonsense.
As emotive as it is, there must be a path to redemption.
We did for Majid Nawaz and that's been highly beneficial for society
You and I have a very very different version of what constitutes a trivial transgression.
@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Further, fellas judging a 15 year old for her life decisions seems absurd to me.
Agree - I think most do.
She's absolutely fucked either way. She can't come back here - her name is public, images of her are everywhere, she will never ever ever be anything else to the majority people here other than an ISIS fighter, a killer, a psychopathic nutjob who hates this country, and just wants to freeload on it's services paid for by tax paying citizens. Her life can only go on of two paths.
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That of Majid Nawaz. And absolutely nothing she has said has indicated she has any intention of that - she still believes the severed head she saw was a good thing because she thinks "what he would have done to a Muslim woman". Did she know him? Did she understand what HE was fighting for? No - she's not changed her fucked up views one iota. There is zero chance of her going down this path by herself, absolute zero. So should the state try and fund that? On top of her baby? On top of her social welfare because nobody will give her a job? On top of monitoring her?
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Be a complete outcast, hated by most who blows herself up on a bus/train taking many innocent lives with her.
I don't blame her family for wishing her back , I also don't blame her for trying. Isn't everybody just trying to do whats best for themselves, and what they want to be remembered for.
But if this country can take a hardline on banning activists, then at the very least, it should be able to apply that same hardline to ISIS fighters, sympathisers people like this.
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wellI think most of you know my thoughts on Islam. I'm just waiting for a couple videos from last weekends conference to come up to share. I've done a full 180 from a couple years back and unless this lady is publicly renouncing islam itself I would not see her as a positive member of uk society. That is not just my opinion but also from anyone who has tried to leave the faith.
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@MajorRage trivial transgression includes a Netflix executive saying niggar, a man teaching his dog treats, a $2million dollar a year news anchor asking why blackface is an insult and a weatherman saying coon instead of king.
As for the rest of your speculation about the girl's future - absolute rubbish.
That's all the options for her is it? In a world with a 48 hr news cycle you see nothing in her future except EVERYBODY recognising her for ever or she commits mass murder.
You haven't really thought this through except through your own outrage view of the world.
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@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MajorRage trivial transgression includes a Netflix executive saying niggar, a man teaching his dog treats, a $2million dollar a year news anchor asking why blackface is an insult and a weatherman saying coon instead of king.
As for the rest of your speculation about the girl's future - absolute rubbish.
That's all the options for her is it? In a world with a 48 hr news cycle you see nothing in her future except EVERYBODY recognising her for ever or she commits mass murder.
You haven't really thought this through except through your own outrage view of the world.
Horseshit.
Compare what I write to you, to see who has the outrage of the world and the UK.
Talk about lack of self awareness.
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@Rembrandt but why go through some more virtual signalling from her. It doesn't work, except for those who already believe.
Who gives a fuck what she believes? She's no role model for anyone.
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Her story is a chance to educate.
So many of our universal learnings are through the public pitfalls of others. Archetypal stories.
Use her story to spread an outcome message.
Are we battling extreme Islam or silly little girls from dysfunctional families?
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@MajorRage you gave this woman's life 2 options. 2 options
My paragraph, "The cornerstone of a truly vile ideology popular at the moment, is one of permanent punishment, where an apology for a trivial "transgression " will not let you keep your job. We can't subscribe to that nonsense."
Refers to the leftist ideology which gives no path to redemption. Completely in alignment with my post.
Not my fault you misinterpreted me
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@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MajorRage trivial transgression includes a Netflix executive saying niggar, a man teaching his dog treats, a $2million dollar a year news anchor asking why blackface is an insult and a weatherman saying coon instead of king.
I don't agree that this bears any relevance to the situation. I see where you are coming from, but to me, that's like basing a punishment for a kid shoplifting a bag of sweets to how you treat a serial killer.
As for the rest of your speculation about the girl's future - absolute rubbish.
It's my view on what her paths are in this country, it's not what I want to happen. Please don't confuse the two. I don't want her allowed back in, partially because I don't view any positive future for her, but mostly because I don't believe she has actually changed her views at all, and is likely more dangerous now than when she left, as I'm sure she learned some "skills" in her time abroad.
That's all the options for her is it? In a world with a 48 hr news cycle you see nothing in her future except EVERYBODY recognising her for ever or she commits mass murder.
No, I wrote majority - not everybody. This is super diverse, kind of fucked up Britain. Everybody has supporters / sympathisers regardless of their views. But the daily spreads today just about all have her picture, and real coverage. There is pretty much so no chance she can enter the country without huge controversy and noise.
You haven't really thought this through except through your own outrage view of the world.
As I said above, I disagree with this (I might have been a bit more direct). I cannot fathom why this woman deserves a single cent of public money over other, stronger causes which will help the country.
To reiterate, because this important. This has little to do with her decision as a 15 year old and everything to do with her comments on the interview. She has zero regret / remorse for any of her actions, actions which directly caused the passing of her two children. If ISIS was winning the battle there, do you think she'd be where she is? I sure as hell don't.
@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Rembrandt but why go through some more virtual signalling from her. It doesn't work, except for those who already believe.
Who gives a fuck what she believes? She's no role model for anyone.
She leaves the country to fight for ISIS, then is allowed back in? That is a massive role model I'm afraid, for all the wrong sort of people.
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Her story is a chance to educate.
So many of our universal learnings are through the public pitfalls of others. Archetypal stories.
Use her story to spread an outcome message.
She needs to be onboard for this. There is literally nothing in her of comments which suggest this could be her. Nothing. I do not believe the funding it would cost to try and deradicalize will be a cent with any return.
Are we battling extreme Islam or silly little girls from dysfunctional families?
Obviously the former. Her movements in the past and her comments in the now, for me, put her a long long way from being a silly little girl.
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@MajorRage I can't rebut what you've said because I can't confess to knowing anything about her current state of mind. I find it curious that you know what she thinks with such certainty.
I also find it curious that you assume an input and consideration for government funds and are sufficiently cognizant of appropriate government expenditure and return on investment values.
I don't think her world view and attitudes to life are fully developed and beyond alteration at the age of 19.
Mostly to me she is a valuable source of information and data about the grooming process. A 15 year old girl with 2 friends doesn't run away to Africa without an extensive network aiding her. These are the people you need to know and get. The radicalization process begins with first contact with a groomer - all the abhorrent criminal behaviour to follow starts right here. Use her to learn this.
Confine her until she gives proper info. I suggest you do this sweetly and in a way that she feels part of something with an assured future - that strategy worked before!Her story is a "What happens when you come home?" The answer can be "your life gets better, when you help," or "your life is over". What message would be better for the disenfranchised?
As for ISIS lost.
They probably have by some measure but while we're all gazing at the desert congratulating each other there are Muslims burning poppies at remembrance day parades, mosques have increased exponentially, the investigation of thousands of child rapings gets hamstrung because of cultural sensitivity, terrorism is still a threat for all large cities, police don't go to parts of malmo and it is a universal truth that no one is allowed to draw cartoons of acertain, but only one religion.But yeah, ISIS, the organisation whose sole purpose is to make infidels all over the world, bow and kowtow to the Islamic religion, has been beaten. We should be sweet from here on then...
That's all from me on this, thanks and back to Hillary at al