Should the Crusaders change their name?
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@sparky said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Going further back Josh Kronfeld is from a Jewish background, Sid Going is a Mormon. The claim that the NZR and the All Blacks are at all associated with religious discrimination and intolerance is false.
Sid Going was the first person that came to mind reading that article too, Mormonism is Christian but it’s on the outer extremes of it like being a Jehovahs Witness. He was a fair while ago now though .
Honestly how do the heralds management expect anyone to part with $250 a year to read garbage like that ? You can’t even line your budgies cage with it after you’re done with it .
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@jegga said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@sparky said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Going further back Josh Kronfeld is from a Jewish background, Sid Going is a Mormon. The claim that the NZR and the All Blacks are at all associated with religious discrimination and intolerance is false.
Sid Going was the first person that came to mind reading that article too, Mormonism is Christian but it’s on the outer extremes of it like being a Jehovahs Witness. He was a fair while ago now though .
Honestly how do the heralds management expect anyone to part with $250 a year to read garbage like that ? You can’t even line your budgies cage with it after you’re done with it .
Todd Miller was related to the Goings and was a Mormon. Paused his career to do the door knocking and never was as good again.
So a more recent example.
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Anyone know Rocky Khans religious background? I’m guessing dads likely a Christian but some religions like Judaism are carried on mums side and Catholics make the blokes convert to the wife’s religion.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/8238004/Rocky-Khan-a-sevens-player-with-a-difference
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@Kirwan said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@jegga said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@sparky said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Going further back Josh Kronfeld is from a Jewish background, Sid Going is a Mormon. The claim that the NZR and the All Blacks are at all associated with religious discrimination and intolerance is false.
Sid Going was the first person that came to mind reading that article too, Mormonism is Christian but it’s on the outer extremes of it like being a Jehovahs Witness. He was a fair while ago now though .
Honestly how do the heralds management expect anyone to part with $250 a year to read garbage like that ? You can’t even line your budgies cage with it after you’re done with it .
Todd Miller was related to the Goings and was a Mormon. Paused his career to do the door knocking and never was as good again.
So a more recent example.
Jared Going was even later , Eric Rush did point out he was a Mormon who liked a beer or two . Pretty much every Muslim I’ve ever met liked an occasional drink too .
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@Stargazer said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@jegga said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
The herald actually believes people are prepared to pay for this kind of garbage?
@sparky Geez, that's a crap article, indeed! I'm not going into the Crusaders name change nonsense in this article, but this bit is also b&llsh&t:
The issue, though, is that the game here only seems to cater for only one religion. However much everyone in authority here says they understand inclusion, diversity and respect, they understand it from a Christian perspective. There is an underlying assumption within New Zealand rugby that if players turn up with religious beliefs, they will be Christian — be it Catholic, Anglican, Protestant, Presbyterian, Baptist or whatever. The prevailing religious hegemony coupled with players who wear the Christian cross so visibly on their person deepens the perception rugby is a game founded in a Christian country, played in predominantly Christian countries, and therefore open only to Christians. It seems rugby authorities can't connect the dots — that if they allow professional players to be so overtly expressive with their Christianity that they won't have players who hold other religious beliefs knocking on the door to come play.
Gregor Paul has obviously missed how the Blues have allowed SBW to cover certain sponsor names on the sleeves of his jersey because they were contrary to Islam. He has obviously also not noticed how SBW and Ofa Tu'ungafasi say a quick prayer after scoring a try or after the game. They're muslims. Maybe he hadn't noticed that either?
SBW is probably the player most known for his faith, and its not the Christian faith.
There's nothing, absolutely nothing preventing players writing atheist, islamic, hindu or buddhist writings on their wristbands. And he has obviously also missed that a lot of players write the names of their loved ones on their bandages, other things that inspire them, or some quick reminders of what they need to focus on during the game.
Gregor Paul displaying the awareness of a single-cell organism. How astonishing that a predominately Christian country has the majority of religious rugby players adhering to the majority faith.
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Not sure the worth in actually reading the article. I suppose I should ...
... but the conspiracy theorist in me suggests a deeper motive to this than just to get clicks. Stuff to do with name changes, diversity and "inclusion" ... and since when did "journalists" get to write what they think as opposed to what they're paid to write?
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I suspect it has nothing to do with clickbaits and everything to do with GP’s own secular self-righteous Woke religion of tolerance and inclusivity for everybody that believes the same thing they do. I’m sure he believes everything he typed. It’s a cult, but they can’t see it for what it is, they cloak it in “progressivism.”
Ordinarily I like Gregor, but he should stick to rugby and leave the culture alone, that commentary is well-intentioned but embarrassing.
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And who’s to say new Kiwis who pracitice their Muslim faith would want to play rugby even if the Christian “culture” was eliminated or hidden from the game? There’s still plenty of agnostics and atheists who play rugby, and presumably many Muslims wouldn’t want to play with them either.
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@Bones said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
What are atheist "writings"?
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@booboo said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@sparky said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Anyone able to name any NZ-born Hindus, Jains or Buddhists ?
FIFY
Well that destroys that trite narrative....
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@sparky said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Anyone able to name any NZ-born Hindus, Jains or Buddhists playing top level Rugby?
I’ve always wondered the same thing about Zoroastrians. And Scientologists. Branch Davidians, too.
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Assuming "Muslims" being outraged by the name Crusader is kind of funny I would have thought.
Dictionary definition of stereotype: to believe unfairly that all people or things with a particular characteristic are the same.
Had a Muslim student from Malaysia 2 years ago. He loved rugby and his favorite team was the Crusaders. Now put yourself in the shoes of say a Kiwi living in a Muslim country and one of the soccer teams had horse soldiers at halftime named Saracens (?) or something. Would you give a rats arse?
On a side note, will the Saracens rugby team have to change its name or does it have another meaning? -
@booboo said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@sparky said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Anyone able to name any NZ-born Hindus, Jains or Buddhists ?
FIFY
I have family who are Buddhist and have worked with a few Hindu. My sisters middle name is Jayne.
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New Zealand Rugby chairman Brent Impey has confirmed the Crusaders will not be changing their name in 2020. The Crusaders had been weighing up a name change since the Christchurch terrorist attack in March, but Impey today told Jim Kayes on Radio Sport that nothing would be changing next season. "The reality is that adidas have got to make jerseys, there's merchandising and that sort of stuff," Impey told Radio Sport. "You can't just change the name of a professional team when there are existing contracts. "So definitely not. There's no intention and never has been any intention that the Crusaders name would change in 2020." Impey said a process was still in place to determine if the name would be changed long term. "The process regarding the Crusaders name is setup, there's a sub-committee of the New Zealand board working with the Crusaders board, to see which of the two options will be chosen - either a rebranded Crusaders name or a new name. There's a process underway to do that, we don't need to rush it. "But they will be the Crusaders in 2020."
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12238533&ref=rss