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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
Also let's not forget the 400 pound elephant in the room:
The UAP was a great foil for the Coalition, particularly in QLD, with an ad campaign worth something reportedly above $60M nationally.
It muddied the waters a bit, and despite them getting a bit fat zero, he'll make back that money easily through a friendly government.
Apart from annoying the hell out of people he wasn't even a factor. Made no difference.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
This whole "scare campaign" argument goes both ways. There were plenty of "stop the chaos" "ripped x trillion out of health" "owned by the top end of town" crap. At the end of the day ordinary people want jobs and money in their back pocket.
Scare campaigns are much more effective if you are the incumbent - if people have jobs and money in their pocket already, then change is scary. Simple, yes?
Btw, what are the odds on the Stegall going a second term? The next Maxine McKee?
Depends who the Libs put up as their option next time.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
Also let's not forget the 400 pound elephant in the room:
The UAP was a great foil for the Coalition, particularly in QLD, with an ad campaign worth something reportedly above $60M nationally.
It muddied the waters a bit, and despite them getting a bit fat zero, he'll make back that money easily through a friendly government.
Apart from annoying the hell out of people he wasn't even a factor. Made no difference.
At the end of last night's coverage on Channel 7 I heard one of the experts say that Fat Clive had a clever plan which guaranteed direction of preferences to the Coalition, at minimal cost to him. I did not catch the rationale and I'm now too tired to even try!
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
This whole "scare campaign" argument goes both ways. There were plenty of "stop the chaos" "ripped x trillion out of health" "owned by the top end of town" crap. At the end of the day ordinary people want jobs and money in their back pocket.
Scare campaigns are much more effective if you are the incumbent - if people have jobs and money in their pocket already, then change is scary. Simple, yes?
Btw, what are the odds on the Stegall going a second term? The next Maxine McKee?
Depends who the Libs put up as their option next time.
Depends what the change entails. Maybe Labor didn't sell their message well enough or people didn't like what they were selling? There's a thought.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
As a household with a high percentile at income, my personal situation will probably not change very much - might even get better on a few tax cuts issues.
Longer term tho, the issues around climate and environment are going to drift under this government. The concern is for the wide brown land itself, but also economically as other nations ramp up their research and development of renewables and other clean technologies.
Another coal fired power station here should have its full costings explained to the taxpayer. At this point, I'd rather go nuke.
I think there will be a far more pragmatic approach given how things played out in the election and the debate.
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@Nevorian said in Aussie Politics:
...At the end of the day Abbott is still a dick, and both sides of the House are probably happy that he has gone. I always thought SBS were quite impartial, will watch now and try and pick out all of this obvious bias.
You do that. Might have to work through a few ahem "coming of age films" before you get their news content."
Abbott is still a dick.
Oh?
Tony Abbott had the good fortune to attend St Ignatius, Riverview and they were fortunate to have him because he is a fine example of the best work the Jesuits do, turning out young men who are disciplined and involved. His academic achievements attest to that – Economics and Law at Sydney University (an outstanding seat of learning back then) then post graduate as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford in Philosophy, Politics and Economics and Master of Arts.
He played rugby as a front rower and boxed as a light heavyweight, both roles truly test a fellow's determination. He also immersed himself in student politics.
He has served in politics for 25 years, much of it at the top end. A mate's daughter worked for him as a graduate for near ten years then went out to form her own consulting practice with his guidance and support, she soared upwards and they remain good friends. Her family holds him in high regard.
Abbott is wholly involved in family - his wife and three daughters interact with him in public with easy affection. In a documentary piece at about the time he became Prime Minister I watched them form a protective barrier around him, they like him and they care to protect him. He is supportive of his sister, who is also involved in politics at local government and in issues in which they hold opposing views. Even when she launched a strange public attack on him two or three years ago he did not react.
He places himself on roster for Queenscliff Life Saving Club and is an active member of the volunteer fire fighters group at Davidson, which should be unremarkable for a community minded family man living near the bushland ridge behind the Northern Beaches. In a documentary piece a little while back he was interviewed with his brigade - I watched them form a protective barrier around him, they like him and they care to protect him.
Tony Abbott has taken his annual holidays year on year to teach in remote aboriginal towns in northern Australia, degraded hopeless camps marked by violence and child rape. He regularly rides bicycles in long distance charity runs and I have seen him run leading a blind man in a half marathon or similar on a couple of occasions.
At 61 he is in exceptional physical shape, a product of the self-discipline he has shown throughout his career. I see a fellow who has made an outstanding contribution to his fellow man.
I could go on however I cannot find evidence of your assertion that “Abbott is still a dick”. Can you help with something to substantiate that, Nevorian, or did you just make it up?
If ever a post need a mike drop gif at the end it was this one. Mods?
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Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi, fuck yeah we are the only species that counts, we are so fucken intelligent. I'm so stoked we found this continent, to think no species had figured out how to exploit all of its natural resources to make lots of shit for me to buy and use and throw away. I sure hope future generations can find their own continent to exploit because there aint gonna be much left on this one once we are done. But hey I need a new 5 bedroom house, a job and new shoes every year so fuck yeah, burn, dig and chop your heart away. Anyway I'll be dead before things get too bad and we need growth and progress now.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Politics:
I think there will be a far more pragmatic approach given how things played out in the election and the debate.
What are the chances of the NEG being resurrected with another acronym?
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
Depends what the change entails. Maybe Labor didn't sell their message well enough or people didn't like what they were selling? There's a thought.
Their tax cuts agenda over the next few years was practically identical unless you earned over $200K - a small percentage of the population.
More services funding promised at the expense of franking credits and negative gearing / CGT tax breaks - again a small percentage.Of course, how Labor was going to pay for all this was a moot, but academic, point.
So we'll have to go with delivery?
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On Tony Abbott - saw a quote today that both sides of politics will be glad he's not around any more.
From all reports he's very community-oriented, although he copped some criticism for being suddenly in local issues when Steggall made noise about it. Stood up in a debate with Steggall and claimed that the Warringah Tunnel was needed for the past 20 years. Her response? "Well, you've been the member for 25 years..."
Think it was a dead point anyway - the state government will determine the planning and I think its down for 5-6 years from now
His views have largely been left behind by the community. On same-sex marriage he left the house before voting, which was to deny the wishes of his electorate; even if it made no difference, it was hardly representative. Knighthoods? Jeez, I know he's a monarchist but that's a bit much. This article I thought was interesting for some of the quotes:
Opposition leader/attack dog? Good.
Leader of a nation looking forward? Not so good. Knifed by his own party, said he'd not undermine, then spent most of his time undermining. Staunchly against things on principle
He's probably the last casualty of Turnbull getting booted last year. The Libs from this point will get behind ScoMo and look to reacquaint themselves with stability.
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On other seats:
Gilmore saw Warren Mundine parachuted in by the Libs, though he did grow up in the area I'm led to believe. I'm not sure why they'd run both Lib and National candidates there, but it may have hurt them in this case as Labor looks to have enough to take it.
There are 7 seats still in doubt according to the ABC at this point:
No consistency in those swings.
The seats that changed hands are all under 2% "previously held" except for Warringah:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2019/results/list?filter=indoubt&sort=az&state=all
Good stats engine there.
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@Nevorian said in Aussie Politics:
@rotated I would say his "Shit happens" comment would probably stick out most clearly in my mind. But in the end it turned out knifing Turnbull in the back was a good thing for the LNP.
There was nothing wrong with his shit happens comment.
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Just caught Arthur Sinodinos (Liberal party elder and Federal Senator) saying a bunch of fairly sensible stuff, as usual - to paraphrase: there are still a bunch of people who voted Labor. Find out what their primary issues are, and see where that could fit into our policies.
Let's remember that ScoMo didn't announce a lot of policies on the trail, and now that the "Don't Vote Shorten" policy has achieved its aim, it'll be fascinating to see what happens in terms of ministry and governance going forward - outside chance we are headed for minority government at this point so there are still a lot of voters (more than half) who are NOT Coalition.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
I saw this on twitter today. A good summary of why, even though things like Franking Credits and Negative Gearing etc are hardly widespread benefits in Australia, they are seen as aspirational benefits for a wider cohort.
Thats an interesting take until the last line, I disagree there. People have hope about the future whether or not they actually put anything into practice to make their own future better is another story but the thought that someone might take it away from them is not a vote winner. Looks like Labor ran a similar campaign to NZ Labour in 2014 which was a similar dumpster fire , the Labour leader actually apologised for being a man while he was on the campaign trail.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Politics:
I think there will be a far more pragmatic approach given how things played out in the election and the debate.
What are the chances of the NEG being resurrected with another acronym?
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
Depends what the change entails. Maybe Labor didn't sell their message well enough or people didn't like what they were selling? There's a thought.
Their tax cuts agenda over the next few years was practically identical unless you earned over $200K - a small percentage of the population.
More services funding promised at the expense of franking credits and negative gearing / CGT tax breaks - again a small percentage.Of course, how Labor was going to pay for all this was a moot, but academic, point.
So we'll have to go with delivery?
Most of the population wouldn't know what a franking credit is and couldn't care less about negative gearing.
The argument was that it was just a massive scare campaign that did the job. That's garbage and the Labor pols spitting chips about that have short memories (Mediscare anyone), didn't even see their own campaign, or are just making bs excuses.
See that Alex Turnbull deleted his Twitter account. Wonder how much him and his old man wasted on their ridiculous vendetta.
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@Nevorian said in Aussie Politics:
@rotated I would say his "Shit happens" comment would probably stick out most clearly in my mind. But in the end it turned out knifing Turnbull in the back was a good thing for the LNP.
What was your issue with the "shit happens" comment?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
See that Alex Turnbull deleted his Twitter account. Wonder how much him and his old man wasted on their ridiculous vendetta.
Alex put $15K into an independent's Senate campaign in ACT (Pesec). Rentseekers for climate action. Delusionally he thought he'd get enough to dispose Sed - #1 on the Liberal ticket. Currently has just over 5%
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