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@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...
They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen
I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.
That actually sounds a good idea. This guy is not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed
Yep, honestly this media blackout and jailtime for having or distributing the video and his manifesto is only making him and his ideas infinitely more popular in the dark recesses of the internet.
YEah but who cares about the 'dark recesses of the internet'? Most live in the real and light world of life
We all should, Brendan Tarrant lived there.
What a sad sad life that would be!
Imagine pandering to those that live in the dark recesses of the net. I find that sadly hilarious
Nobody is pandering to anyone. It's to avoid this shit happening again.
I'm easily confused. If most don't need it to be televised, why should we show it because of those that live in the dark recesses of the internet?
It's going to happen again whether or not it's televised. Awful things like that happen infrequently.
It's already been explained. Not even going to bother.
Well as one that lives in reality of real life, I am happy if they don't show squat and all I hear is how long the sentence is
Again, it's been explained. I'm sorry if it's such a hard concept to grasp.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...
They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen
I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.
That actually sounds a good idea. This guy is not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed
Yep, honestly this media blackout and jailtime for having or distributing the video and his manifesto is only making him and his ideas infinitely more popular in the dark recesses of the internet.
YEah but who cares about the 'dark recesses of the internet'? Most live in the real and light world of life
We all should, Brendan Tarrant lived there.
What a sad sad life that would be!
Imagine pandering to those that live in the dark recesses of the net. I find that sadly hilarious
Nobody is pandering to anyone. It's to avoid this shit happening again.
I'm easily confused. If most don't need it to be televised, why should we show it because of those that live in the dark recesses of the internet?
It's going to happen again whether or not it's televised. Awful things like that happen infrequently.
It's already been explained. Not even going to bother.
Well as one that lives in reality of real life, I am happy if they don't show squat and all I hear is how long the sentence is
Again, it's been explained. I'm sorry if it's such a hard concept to grasp.
I wasn't after an explanation from that post. It was a statement not a question
I'm sorry if it's such a hard concept to grasp.
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@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@SammyC said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Siam said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...
They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen
I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.
That actually sounds a good idea. This guy is not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed
Yep, honestly this media blackout and jailtime for having or distributing the video and his manifesto is only making him and his ideas infinitely more popular in the dark recesses of the internet.
YEah but who cares about the 'dark recesses of the internet'? Most live in the real and light world of life
Our prime minister seems obsessed by it
Does she? Can’t say I’ve noticed.
She initiated the "Christchurch Call" to target people like Tarrant and ban them from social media to stop them spreading bad ideas. It won't work (stopping the ideas) but it is a big focus for her.
Cheers
Hardly obsessed with the dark recesses of the internet then. Christ there's some hyperbole on this thread.
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@SammyC said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@SammyC said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Siam said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...
They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen
I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.
That actually sounds a good idea. This guy is not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed
Yep, honestly this media blackout and jailtime for having or distributing the video and his manifesto is only making him and his ideas infinitely more popular in the dark recesses of the internet.
YEah but who cares about the 'dark recesses of the internet'? Most live in the real and light world of life
Our prime minister seems obsessed by it
Does she? Can’t say I’ve noticed.
She initiated the "Christchurch Call" to target people like Tarrant and ban them from social media to stop them spreading bad ideas. It won't work (stopping the ideas) but it is a big focus for her.
Cheers
Hardly obsessed with the dark recesses of the internet then. Christ there's some hyperbole on this thread.
Hey it's the Politics Forum. It'd get pretty dull in here without a bit of hyperbole to spice things up.
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@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@SammyC said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@SammyC said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Siam said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...
They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen
I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.
That actually sounds a good idea. This guy is not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed
Yep, honestly this media blackout and jailtime for having or distributing the video and his manifesto is only making him and his ideas infinitely more popular in the dark recesses of the internet.
YEah but who cares about the 'dark recesses of the internet'? Most live in the real and light world of life
Our prime minister seems obsessed by it
Does she? Can’t say I’ve noticed.
She initiated the "Christchurch Call" to target people like Tarrant and ban them from social media to stop them spreading bad ideas. It won't work (stopping the ideas) but it is a big focus for her.
Cheers
Hardly obsessed with the dark recesses of the internet then. Christ there's some hyperbole on this thread.
Hey
it's the Politics Forumthis is the Fern, BAU.Fixed
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@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...
They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen
I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.
That actually sounds a good idea. This guy is not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed
Yep, honestly this media blackout and jailtime for having or distributing the video and his manifesto is only making him and his ideas infinitely more popular in the dark recesses of the internet.
YEah but who cares about the 'dark recesses of the internet'? Most live in the real and light world of life
We all should, Brendan Tarrant lived there.
What a sad sad life that would be!
Imagine pandering to those that live in the dark recesses of the net. I find that sadly hilarious
Nobody is pandering to anyone. It's to avoid this shit happening again.
I'm easily confused. If most don't need it to be televised, why should we show it because of those that live in the dark recesses of the internet?
It's going to happen again whether or not it's televised. Awful things like that happen infrequently.
It's already been explained. Not even going to bother.
Well as one that lives in reality of real life, I am happy if they don't show squat and all I hear is how long the sentence is
Again, it's been explained. I'm sorry if it's such a hard concept to grasp.
I wasn't after an explanation from that post. It was a statement not a question
I'm sorry if it's such a hard concept to grasp.
...It wasn't an answer to a question, simply a statement of how you'd yet again missed the point.
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@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Anyone know why the u-turn over terrorist charges? From memory they weren't going to go down that route as it could result in more of a shit show
They haven't said I don't think. I disagree with calling it terrorism. They should reduce it to what it was, some quack with a gun
No. It was terrorism.
Without trying to belittle your opinion 9/11 wasn't just some dicks who stole a plane.
This bloke went and murdered a lot of people to make a political point.
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@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Anyone know why the u-turn over terrorist charges? From memory they weren't going to go down that route as it could result in more of a shit show
They haven't said I don't think. I disagree with calling it terrorism. They should reduce it to what it was, some quack with a gun
There's a fair number of people that believe that if the perpetrator is brown it is terrorism, if white then it's not. So I think that may have played into the decision to charge terrorism.
I kind of agree with you though, it's not easy to discern the ideology he was following as he is just all over the place and appears to be more of a troll trying to start conflict than anything else. You could call him an ethno-nationalist I guess but then he praised black people in the States so...
Thought the highlighted text above qualified as terrorism.
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@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...
They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen
I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.
That actually sounds a good idea. This guy is not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed
Yep, honestly this media blackout and jailtime for having or distributing the video and his manifesto is only making him and his ideas infinitely more popular in the dark recesses of the internet.
YEah but who cares about the 'dark recesses of the internet'? Most live in the real and light world of life
You know? the victims probably lived in the real and light world of life before some fluffybunny shot them.
Hiding the crime in my opinion drives it underground. Makes it edgy and attractive to conspiracists.
I'm not advocating making it a circus but report it so we know the enemy.
Dont hide it so some nascent Tarrant wannabe starts to develop a warped ideology which noone detects until he goes postal.
Justice must not only be done it must be seen to be done. NZ is not a Police state. We should be transparent in our justice system.
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@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...
They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen
I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.
That actually sounds a good idea. This guy is not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed
Yep, honestly this media blackout and jailtime for having or distributing the video and his manifesto is only making him and his ideas infinitely more popular in the dark recesses of the internet.
YEah but who cares about the 'dark recesses of the internet'? Most live in the real and light world of life
We all should, Brendan Tarrant lived there.
Which is where the danger lurks @Hooroo .
Pretending it doesn't allows for acts like this to happen IMO.
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@booboo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...
They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen
I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.
That actually sounds a good idea. This guy is not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed
Yep, honestly this media blackout and jailtime for having or distributing the video and his manifesto is only making him and his ideas infinitely more popular in the dark recesses of the internet.
YEah but who cares about the 'dark recesses of the internet'? Most live in the real and light world of life
We all should, Brendan Tarrant lived there.
Which is where the danger lurks @Hooroo .
Pretending it doesn't allows for acts like this to happen IMO.
Who’s pretending? All it is, is not giving the guy a face.
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@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...
They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen
I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.
That actually sounds a good idea. This guy is not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed
Unfortunately the above isn't always the case. Many of mankinds worst offenders are extremely intelligent. I wonder if the fear of televising is he turns out to be very smart and has the ability to influence.
You only have to hear one thing which actually makes a bit of sense, and then the ball is rolling ...
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@MajorRage said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...
They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen
I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.
That actually sounds a good idea. This guy is not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed
Unfortunately the above isn't always the case. Many of mankinds worst offenders are extremely intelligent. I wonder if the fear of televising is he turns out to be very smart and has the ability to influence.
You only have to hear one thing which actually makes a bit of sense, and then the ball is rolling ...
He isn't going to convince normal people anyway. It might give him a platform to reach other people like him though....
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They can’t seal the trial, but they can refuse cameras. His words are enough, nobody needs to see & hear this psychopath.
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@booboo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
No. It was terrorism.
This bloke went and murdered a lot of people to make a political point.I don’t get hung up on the semantics, that’s for other people to stamp their feet. But does make me wonder whether Lee Harvey Oswald was a terrorist or an assassin. Likely both, but he’s rarely-if-ever been referred as the former. Is it the politics? The fact he was (allegedly) a lone gunman? Is it the body-count? Or the 21st century framing??
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@booboo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
No. It was terrorism.
This bloke went and murdered a lot of people to make a political point.I don’t get hung up on the semantics, that’s for other people to stamp their feet. But does make me wonder whether Lee Harvey Oswald was a terrorist or an assassin. Likely both, but he’s rarely-if-ever been referred as the former. Is it the politics? The fact he was (allegedly) a lone gunman? Is it the body-count? Or the 21st century framing??
As I recall the practice of terrorism (and the term) did not have legs until the late '60's - early '70's.
Kennedy was killed in '63 (I was thirteen) and up until then we had the aftermath of conventional war (Korea settling down to opposing forces glaring at each other across a demilitarised zone, Vietnam cranking up); the Iron Curtain keeping the military might of the Soviets and the USA apart; spies in overcoats with their collars turned up and their hats turned down; and Chairman Mao preparing his cultural revolution phase in the closed shop that was China.
It wasn't until the late '60's that "terrorism" became a familiar word, when the IRA got cracking in the late '60's at the same time as militant groups became evident, mainly in the Middle East.
Most of my contemporaries would identify Black September's massacre of the Israeli weightlifters at the '72 Munich Olympics as their first recollection of "terrorism".
After that it was declared on for young and old, with the rapid growth of proclaimed terrorist groups such as Baader–Meinhof, increased activity by Yasser Arafat's PLO, a decade or three of plane hijackings, kidnappings, bombings and all that we see now.
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The purpose of terrorism is too terrorise. This suggests that the randomness of it is just as much a weapon. Kennedy was a dominant political figure at a time of great stress, even if Oswald killed him for political reasons (highly likely), then the purpose was not to terrorise the populus but go get rid of that one person.
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