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Wow. Pure and unadulterated vitriol right there. Not often I'm on piers's side, but good on him calling out their shitty behaviour.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback To be clear, what I wrote above is what is being written, not my personal view. I did watch about an hour of the commons last night and it was very heated - the manner of the exchanges were not what you would expect from a parliament, but to pinpoint BoJo for that would be somewhat unfair.
Regardless though, the point is the same. Yet again, the focus has been deflected from resolving Brexit. Which was the entire subject of BoJo's speech.
I think BoJo simply said what many (most if you believe the polls) people are thinking - that the majority of MPs simply want to stop Brexit and ignore the result of the referendum but aren't honest enough to say it and don't want an election in case BoJo wins and we do leave the EU.
He was dead right to call out the the MPs who accused him of creating threats against MPs or insulting the memory of murdered MP Jo Cox as he used the term "Surrender bill" - they seemed perfectly OK calling him a dictator, for him to be decapitated and threatening an "iron fist" against him.
At the end of the day there needs to be a settlement/deal - the idea that another referendum to reverse the result or simply revoking A50 will solve anything is bonkers.
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@Victor-Meldrew Yep, spot on.
I didn't see the opening exchanges which caused it to go deep, but from what I've read / snapshots on line, it was Labour who brought up Jo Cox, not Boris.
Brendan Cox this morning said the below. Unbelievable balance from the man who was affected the most.
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My local MP, Brexit-supporting Sheryl Murray' lost her first husband who died in a fishing accident about 5 years ago.
I've heard she's received cards on the anniversary of his drowning, praising his death and attacking her Brexit stance.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:
My local MP, Brexit-supporting Sheryl Murray' lost her first husband who died in a fishing accident about 5 years ago.
I've heard she's received cards on the anniversary of his drowning, praising his death and attacking her Brexit stance.
I've no doubt about that.
People are evil.
But this is a message and medium issue.
The medium is Twitter which is public for all to see and the message was unbecoming of a representative of the people.
If any non-MP had written those words in an official capacity whilst working they would have been sacked on the spot.
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Watched only clips.
BoJo went on the attack and Labour really didn't know how to respond as they probably expected him to be weak and contrite. He spoke of a "dead parliament" and a "Surrender Bill" and I think the only way Labour could respond was to go into full Trigger mode.
Wasn't edifying.
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@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:
My local MP, Brexit-supporting Sheryl Murray' lost her first husband who died in a fishing accident about 5 years ago.
I've heard she's received cards on the anniversary of his drowning, praising his death and attacking her Brexit stance.
I've no doubt about that.
People are evil.
But this is a message and medium issue.
The medium is Twitter which is public for all to see and the message was unbecoming of a representative of the people.
If any non-MP had written those words in an official capacity whilst working they would have been sacked on the spot.
If anyone with some level of power had written that and they were not a journalist or left leaning politician write that they would be hounded mercilessly till they lost everything
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I think I need a remainer to educate me on some if this because my bias must be blinding me...
How the hell do opposition parties think it looks to call out the govt as evil, incompetent, corrupt etc... Whilst at same time refusing the opportunity to fight an election to defeat them . The optics are horrific surely??? -
I actually think the whole thing last night could (should?) have been prevented by Bercow.
It was an emotive session, which is fine, but as soon as Cox was brought up (by Labour), he should have stopped it. Bringing up arguably the most emotive thing in British Politics of the last 5 years in the middle of the session was never going to start or end well for everybody. He should have stopped it.
You'll note that Labour this morning is calling for Boris Johnson to come to parliament and apologise for his words etc. You'll also note that they are, once again, clearly diverting things from where they should be.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
This is a Labour MP!
Somewhat of a reflection of the bits I saw of yesterday's parliamentary debate.
Good to see some erudite, lucid discussion on resolving the Brexit problem- possibly the most debilitating issue to face the UK in recent times. Glad to see everyone is staying professional and not letting emotion take over and sidetrack them so as to move forward and get on with life as quickly as possible.Or not.
I get why more and more people don't care what the actual outcome is, as long as it is done with.
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If any non-MP had written those words in an official capacity whilst working they would have been sacked on the spot.
Absolutely. Shadow Chancellor McDonnell has publicly called for Tory-ex-Minister Esther McVey to be lynched - he refused to apologise and he's still there.
This stuff gets ingrained and feeds a narrative that people who disagree with you have no compassion or humanity - they become sub-human. You then end up with mainstream newspapers like The Guardian writing editorials disparaging the death of Cameron's son Ivan as the pain he experienced was "privileged pain" and getting loads of up-votes
It's mainly on the Left at the moment - wait until the Right catches up. And that's my concern
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Brexit:
I think I need a remainer to educate me on some if this because my bias must be blinding me...
How the hell do opposition parties think it looks to call out the govt as evil, incompetent, corrupt etc... Whilst at same time refusing the opportunity to fight an election to defeat them . The optics are horrific surely???I went to Piers Morgan's Twitter account as recommended earlier and he pretty much summed up how I stand and feel about this whole situation
To paraphrase
I voted Remain, I would still vote Remain if there was a second referendum, but I respect the decision to leave so let's get on with it.
I voted Labour in the last GE but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to do the same in the next GE.
To use a dog analogy the opposition are angry, angry small dogs who are barking at everything behind curtains and gates but run when it matters.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
It was an emotive session, which is fine, but as soon as Cox was brought up (by Labour), he should have stopped it.
He probably saw it as an opportunity for BoJo to have fish-heads thrown at him.
You'll note that Labour this morning is calling for Boris Johnson to come to parliament and apologise for his words etc. You'll also note that they are, once again, clearly diverting things from where they should be.
They haven't got much choice as they haven't got a Brexit policy to speak of.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:
They haven't got much choice as they haven't got a Brexit policy to speak of.
That's bullshit. Their policy is to get a better Brexit deal then vote against it.
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@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
To use a dog analogy the opposition are angry, angry small dogs who are barking at everything behind curtains and gates but run when it matters.
There's a danger that the longer this goes on, it will help BoJo in any GE.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Brexit:
I think I need a remainer to educate me on some if this because my bias must be blinding me...
How the hell do opposition parties think it looks to call out the govt as evil, incompetent, corrupt etc... Whilst at same time refusing the opportunity to fight an election to defeat them . The optics are horrific surely???I'm a remainer. I can't educate you on this, as I agree with you.
You need to find another avenue, I'm afraid. I'm not even sure my left wing sister could help me out here.
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