Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism
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Been a while since a dissection of one of your posts Siam, so lets put a toe in the water ...
@Siam said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
Rembrandt does raise a good point about not having to be a compulsory victim.
True, but this isn't some small thing. It's on a global stage. I don't think it should be ignored.
There needs to be a message, in conjunction with other strategies, that demonstrates that ignoring stupid talk and words needn't "ruin" your life or identity. A strength and resolve from within.
The players showed strength and resolve from within. They won 6-0. Mings, who was one of the main targets was on his debut for England. In the post match interview, he said he wasn't going to let it ruin his day, which for him was one of joy due to making his debut. He generally looked chuffed too - the perfect role model for this situation.
At the moment there is only pleading with authorities and finger pointing. Expecting the authorities to fix this unfixable issue ( people talking mean to people), or upholding the law is obviously not working.
And the pointing out of racism everywhere has worsened the world at a time when humans are less racist than ever.
We'll have to agree to disagree that this was merely mean talk. Things like this does make it feel like for all steps taken forwards, we are taking some back.
As for a solution- look for something that worked before, like the Norwich example. Ban the clubs and watch them sort it out as the coffers diminish.
That's EXACTLY what they have been doing. That's why it was only a small section of the crowd.
Demanding racist taunts just stop is like any other futile demand to do with law and order- it will only be heeded by people who would never vilify in the first place.
In the first instance you are probably right. However, we are a long way beyond the first instance. Bulgaria will probably play behind closed doors for a couple of games now. That keeps everybody out and punishes all. But lets see whose going to turn up when the doors reopen. I expect there to be some community policing going on.
On a related note, chatting about it with my spurs colleague this morning. He mentioned about how things have changed a lot. Not sure if you are aware, but a video went viral of a spurs fan who bought his mentally disabled child to the match, and her dancing in the stands after the match. He was saying that could never have happened 10 years ago and the fact that this is normal now shows how much football has cleaned up it's act. It's not perfect, and unlikely ever will be. But it's a long long way ahead of where it was.
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@Siam said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
@sparky Any black players in the Bulgarian team mate, and were they taunted as well?
Would that have made it better?
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I don't mind the idea of cancelling the game due to the racist assholes. A bit of mob justice against them wouldn't be a bad thing. Now that their shitty behaviour is having an impact on others I'd hope they start copping more of a backlash and are ostracised from society.
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@Bones said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
@Siam one guy I saw looked coloured....
We were on a parents whatsapp group the other week for a sports event - one Mum messaged everyone saying she saw a kid warming up who looked way too old to be in our kids age group. But that maybe it was ok if he was disabled. And that he DID have one eye a different colour to the other.
Takes all kinds! 😅
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@mariner4life would have added context.
They'd have had to cheer if their black player scored
I don't think any white young person living in a western city can actually be racist in the true sense of the word in 2019. Too much info, too much multiculturalism.
This is a group of violence seekers before they're dyed in the wool racists, in my opinion. Just another European football hooligan story, as we've witnessed consistently for 50 odd years
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@Siam said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism:
@mariner4life would have added context.
They'd have had to cheer if their black player scored
I don't think any white young person living in a western city can actually be racist in the true sense of the word in 2019. Too much info, too much multiculturalism.
This is a group of violence seekers before they're dyed in the wool racists, in my opinion. Just another European football hooligan story, as we've witnessed consistently for 50 odd years
Well that makes it all so much better
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Also did you read the article I posted? Bulgarian club fans chucked bananas at their own African striker.
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@Rembrandt said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism:
@Hooroo said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
@Rembrandt said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
It doesn't have to be a battle mate.
I don't understand the battle part What doesn't have to be a battle? Racism?
Your disregard for the political forum and some of its posters. I welcome your view but you don't have to post if you think it inevitable a discussion devolving as being just par for the course here. I enjoy discussion and getting different points of view especially on sensitive subjects but I understand that it's not for everyone so many just put this on ignore.
Mate it's worrying that you think you're getting varied points of view on the political forum. All the reasonable posters give up on it, and people have it on ignore because it is ignorant.
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@reprobate said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism:
@Rembrandt said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism:
@Hooroo said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
@Rembrandt said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for 'Racism':
It doesn't have to be a battle mate.
I don't understand the battle part What doesn't have to be a battle? Racism?
Your disregard for the political forum and some of its posters. I welcome your view but you don't have to post if you think it inevitable a discussion devolving as being just par for the course here. I enjoy discussion and getting different points of view especially on sensitive subjects but I understand that it's not for everyone so many just put this on ignore.
Mate it's worrying that you think you're getting varied points of view on the political forum. All the reasonable posters give up on it, and people have it on ignore because it is ignorant.
Agree.... and this topic confirms that some people on here are as racist and ignorant as I thought.
Monkey noises and neo nazi salutes by a large section of the crowd is unacceptable, I’m happy they called off the game
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@Siam said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism:
I don't think any white young person living in a western city can actually be racist in the true sense of the word in 2019. Too much info, too much multiculturalism.
racist
/ˈreɪsɪst/
noun
noun: racist; plural noun: racists
a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.While I agree racism at football is often an excuse for violent thuggery, I don't know what world you live in where you don't see daily examples of racism.
Sadly it's not the one I'm in. It might not be as overt as in the past although I still see that as well but casual racism is alive and kicking in NZ.
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@dogmeat said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism:
@Siam said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism:
I don't think any white young person living in a western city can actually be racist in the true sense of the word in 2019. Too much info, too much multiculturalism.
racist
/ˈreɪsɪst/
noun
noun: racist; plural noun: racists
a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.While I agree racism at football is often an excuse for violent thuggery, I don't know what world you live in where you don't see daily examples of racism.
Sadly it's not the one I'm in. It might not be as overt as in the past although I still see that as well but casual racism is alive and kicking in NZ.
It’s everywhere mate. And I do mean everywhere. But this can probably not ever be a destination, only a journey (copyright: J. Mitchell, 2003). And a journey has to be measured on how far you’ve traveled. The attitudes towards racism, the laws, the improvements over the last 20 years or so in the West have been fucking amazing. We are so much in a better place now. Without being complacent , we should acknowledge the progress made. No need to beat ourselves up.
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I can't stress enough how important it is to stamp racism of this nature out. Groups like this are a genuine danger to society. They are like ISIS in that they target young vulnerable people and suck them into their shitty ideology, making the world a worse place.
Don't let a handful of idiot lefties that scream racism at everything influence you here, monkey chants and nazi salutes are a big fucking deal and the sooner we rid ourselves of this scourge the better, by nearly any means possible. Stopping a game a couple of times is not a big deal, and TBH I'd be fine with them walking off and then banning crowds from attending games in Bulgaria for a while to send a message.
The biggest reason the west has come a long way in this regard is because people by in large don't tolerate this crappy behaviour anymore, the mob can be a great thing when it comes to getting rid of shit like this.
Again, fuck those racist assholes. They can all rot in hell.
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@dogmeat said in Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism:
While I agree racism at football is often an excuse for violent thuggery, I don't know what world you live in where you don't see daily examples of racism.
Sadly it's not the one I'm in. It might not be as overt as in the past although I still see that as well but casual racism is alive and kicking in NZ.
There is a colossal difference between racism and casual racism. That is something that is very lost on the woke brigade.
Good example - 2 mins ago, I glanced over and saw my colleague Daryl, so said "Morning, mate". Realised the bloke was giving me a look .. and then I realised it wasn't Daryl. It was another bloke of caribbean origin.
Whoops.