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@MajorRage Oh I get their train of thought, indoctrinate through school then throw them at the polls. But even when I was a loony lefty I knew that teenagers brains aren't even fully developed. Hell 18 is probably too young but if you can go and die for your country you might as well have the right to vote.
I guess I'm still partially living in a world where morals exist in politics. If 16 year olds, why not 15 year olds, or 12 year olds? Hell if a kid can now decide at 4 years old to have their genitalia surgically removed (a cause championed by these same lefty lunatics) then surely they should get a vote.
Christ I hope these morons are punished to all hell in the elections, hopefully a decent sane opposition rises from their ashes.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt didn’t you used to be more left when younger?
Get it?
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Most Millennials have never grown up, so of course they still like childish things.
Kids used to grow out of communism by 21 or 22, but with Millennials staying in a child like state for much longer, they like communism for much longer. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in British Politics:
Most Millennials have never grown up, so of course they still like childish things.
Kids used to grow out of communism by 21 or 22, but with Millennials staying in a child like state for much longer, they like communism for much longer.They also have no idea what communism really is. 100 million plus corpses trying to make it work should be a clue but morons like that woman who claimed she was “ literally a communist “ are lauded by so many on the left . To my mind there’s no difference to her saying “ I’m literally a Nazi “.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Have politicians completely lost their marbles in the last few years or has this insanity always been there and I've just been ignoring it?
Professional politicians divorced from reality, I reckon.
I was involved in representing a group of villages impacted by a major infrastructure project about 4-6 years back - we met with Cabinet ministers, MP's, Snr Civil Servants etc on a fairly regular basis.
Apart from a few honourable exceptions, we were treated at best as a nuisance, at worst with contempt.
My take from the whole experience is the majority of MPs seem to have minimal experience of life outside of politics and many, if not most, don't have much of a clue on what people are really concerned about. Or if they do, they are often openly contemptuous of their concerns.
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@TeWaio said in British Politics:
Farage stands down candidates in the 317 seats the Tory's won last time, and focuses efforts on heavily Leave leaning Labour constituencies.
Big win for the Tories and sterling rallied a big figure on it.
Terrific news, I wonder if there was an agreement behind it or just facing facts that even a poor brexit would be better than risking the horrors of the current Labour and LibDem platforms.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@TeWaio said in British Politics:
Farage stands down candidates in the 317 seats the Tory's won last time, and focuses efforts on heavily Leave leaning Labour constituencies.
Big win for the Tories and sterling rallied a big figure on it.
Terrific news, I wonder if there was an agreement behind it or just facing facts that even a poor brexit would be better than risking the horrors of the current Labour and LibDem platforms.
Or on the advice of Trump?
Farage was adamant that Boris had to drop the deal or he would stand candidates against him everywhere. That tune changed quickly.
Would have certainly been a dumb option.The interesting thing for me is where the sensible Labour voters that don't want Jeremy go to. Corbyn got big support from the 'youth' vote last time but I can't see that happening again. How motivated are they going to be to try and spoil Boris' party?
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@Crucial Could very well be. Farage got Trump on his show asking for an alliance after which Boris said he wasn't dropping the deal. I wonder if there is any wriggle room to modify the 'deal' in the long term once in power with a bigger majority.
Surely Labour are just done as a party, hopefully they are decimated, have a clean-out of their extremist elements and come back as something reasonable by the next election.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@Crucial Could very well be. Farage got Trump on his show asking for an alliance after which Boris said he wasn't dropping the deal. I wonder if there is any wriggle room to modify the 'deal' in the long term once in power with a bigger majority.
Surely Labour are just done as a party, hopefully they are decimated, have a clean-out of their extremist elements and come back as something reasonable by the next election.
No 'wriggle room' available. Why would Europe change things again? A bigger majority for Boris doesn't equate to more of a 'threat' to Europe. What is he going to do? Boris is not campaigning on a no deal exit and would massively lose votes if he did.
As for Labour, have a read of this article http://www.democraticaudit.com/2019/10/28/the-empty-centre-why-the-liberal-democrats-need-to-demonstrate-competence-and-unity-to-win-votes/ . It makes that point that, yes Labour would pick up more votes with a more moderate position on economic issues based on voters positioning in a 'political spectrum' but they know that the centre majority will still either move left or right as long as there is no credible strong middle party. There will still be a temptation to continue down the polarisation route just as the Tories have done.
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@Crucial I'm sure Europe won't care but if there is more support of the people he might be encouraged to try and reclaim losses from the deal, fisheries for example during the transition. Not that I know of what he could do or is likely to do but if there is mass support for something then he might try.
Totally agree about LibDems, great opportunity to become the other major party but Swinson is horrendous. Does not appear as a sensible leader.
This bloke looks like representative of old labour.
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
No 'wriggle room' available. Why would Europe change things again? A bigger majority for Boris doesn't equate to more of a 'threat' to Europe. What is he going to do? Boris is not campaigning on a no deal exit and would massively lose votes if he did.
I assume he means during negotiations in the transition phase where all the specifics are thrashed out for the future relationship.
I've never quite understood why Farage didn't play his hand this way from the start. Providing Boris can get a majority to pass his deal after the election the UK can leave and all avenues to put the genie back in the bottle (second referendum, revoking Article 50) are no longer possible. The roundabout way he has gone to get where he is has made them look weak.
Everything he has a problem with is contained in the non-binding political decleration. BXP's role should be to use all avenues to ensure those negotiations are for Canada+ which is what ERG/Mogg etc have wanted for the last few years.
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@rotated said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
No 'wriggle room' available. Why would Europe change things again? A bigger majority for Boris doesn't equate to more of a 'threat' to Europe. What is he going to do? Boris is not campaigning on a no deal exit and would massively lose votes if he did.
I assume he means during negotiations in the transition phase where all the specifics are thrashed out for the future relationship.
Yeah, but this is once again the deluded bit. Once they leave the UK will have even less bargaining power than the already piss poor position they were in to start with.
While the UK has tangled itself into a massive mess and not progressed Europe has continued shoring up its trading with a raft of countries including deals with Canada, Japan, Vietnam and Singapore.
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It's getting nasty.
Boris cocks up and the BBC show footage from 2016.
Corbyn then fucked over by the Sun
I live in a dead set Plaid Cymru seat and I'm seeing more and more Labour posters in windows.
This election will be won or lost on social media.
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@MiketheSnow What the hell do these journos think they're achieving here? Maybe try and make someone look bad/good for a day but the cost is less and less faith in these awful media institutions.
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