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@NTA OK, I disagree. They didn't even have to talk about his previous comments. Just when they went into the contract re-negotiation don't offer him half as much, and don't make him the poster boy for RA. Him complaining about not being offered enough wouldn't go down particularly well with a lot of people.
Sacking him for his social media posts without following due process is what generated the outrage not just in Australia but around the world.
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
He threw a shit grenade, and everyone got coated.
I do agree with this part
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter yes. That is exactly what I think.
He threw a shit grenade, and everyone got coated.
Not everyone got coated. Only those who willingly ran towards said shit grenade, bent down and picked it up
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SImpsons have somethign for every situation...
this right here, is all people need to do about Foolauw
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You know? I could excuse the earlier stuff where he said gays were going to hell. Not that they should or deserve to go to hell, just that, in his opinion, based on his belief in the words in the bible, that they were.
I could forgive ( ) him for that.
This is next level though, and to my mind suggests he's gone beyond a belief in a Christianity and fallen to some sort of militant "fundamentalism". I'm not sure that is the right word as I'm not sure these beliefs are fundamental to Christianity.
Izzy: when you're in a hole, stop digging.
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@NTA said in Aussie Bush Fires:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Bush Fires:
@chimoaus said in Aussie Bush Fires:
476 Homes lost in NSW and Perth has its hottest November day ever since records began in 1897.
Heat wave Tuesday this week too.
It's a message from God according to Brother Israel
Israel Folau links bushfire crisis to same-sex marriage and abortion
Sacked rugby union star Israel Folau has linked the NSW bushfire crisis and drought to legalising same-sex marriage and abortion, warning the disasters are a "little taste of God's judgment".
Speaking at his church in north-west Sydney, Folau said his remarks were a "message mainly for the people that are outside [the church], within the world". The video footage was posted online on Sunday.
"I've been looking around the events that's been happening in Australia the last couple of weeks, all the natural disasters, the bushfires, the droughts, all these things that are currently happening," Folau said.
"I'm doing this all out of love, for people to hear this message and hopefully be able to receive it with open hearts and they may come to know the truth of [God's] word."
The footage of Folau preaching to the congregation at his church was posted to the Facebook page for The Truth of Jesus Christ Church Sydney in Kenthurst as more than 50 fires burned across NSW.
Six people have died and 476 homes have been destroyed in fires throughout the state since the start of this year's bushfire season.
Folau said: "God's word says for a man and a woman to be together, one man and one woman in the covenant of marriage.
"The world, I'm speaking to Australia right now, they've come and changed this law. They've changed that law and now they've legalised same-sex marriage."
He also said of abortion, which was decriminalised in NSW in October, that "in the eyes of God it's evil, in society today it's good".
"Look how rapid, these bushfires, these droughts, all these things have come, in a short period of time. You think it's a coincidence or not? God is speaking to you guys, Australia, you need to repent.
"What you see right now in the world is only a little taste of God's judgment that's coming, it's not even a big thing."
Folau said the natural disasters were "no coincidence" and the solution was for people to "turn from their wicked ways".
Rugby Australia sacked Folau after he wrote a post on Instagram saying drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolators would go to hell unless they repented.
Folau is suing Rugby Australia for unlawfully terminating his contract because of his Christian beliefs. Australian rugby officials maintain that Folau breached a players' code of conduct.
In October, Folau said he knew before his social media post warning that homosexuals and other sinners would go to hell that the remarks would be "offensive" but he would "absolutely" do it again.
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@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's such gutter journalism though isn't it? Splash his sermon all over the news so that as many people, gay people included, hear all about it. If it's so offensive surely they wouldn't want to spread it far and wide? They don't give a crap about what it does to young gay people, all they care about is the revenue the outrage will generate from the stories.
I'm no great fan of the media, but I dispute the idea they shouldn't report on this because it's offensive.
I'd see your point if he was merely preaching scripture (gays go to hell, etc etc), but this stuff is beyond the pale and in a time where he is suing RA for religious discrimination AND we've just had historically bad bushfires then I'd argue this is 100% newsworthy.
And it's not even like someone was asking him leading questions, baiting him into a response, or snuck into his church with a hidden recorder. He put it on Facebook! It's in the public domain.
So to me it isn't close to 'gutter journalism' at all.
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@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's such gutter journalism though isn't it? Splash his sermon all over the news so that as many people, gay people included, hear all about it. If it's so offensive surely they wouldn't want to spread it far and wide? They don't give a crap about what it does to young gay people, all they care about is the revenue the outrage will generate from the stories.
I'm no great fan of the media, but I dispute the idea they shouldn't report on this because it's offensive.
I'd see your point if he was merely preaching scripture (gays go to hell, etc etc), but this stuff is beyond the pale and in a time where he is suing RA for religious discrimination AND we've just had historically bad bushfires then I'd argue this is 100% newsworthy.
And it's not even like someone was asking him leading questions, baiting him into a response, or snuck into his church with a hidden recorder. He put it on Facebook! It's in the public domain.
So to me it isn't close to 'gutter journalism' at all.
Did Folau post it on Facebook? Or did his Church post it to their own page where they post many of their sermons? And if so, do you think it's worth media outlets seeking out a fundamentalist Church's sermons to splash them all over the news?
Plenty of potentially offensive shit gets spouted in Churches and Mosques right across Australia. If we seek them out then I'm sure we can find all sorts of stuff to get offended by.
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It's not just a sermon from a 'fundamentalist church' though. It's a sermon in a fundamentalist church from one of Australia's most prominent sportsmen. The very same sportsman who is currently engaged in a very public legal dispute over the issue of religious discrimination, funded in part by a crowdfunding campaign.
While I agree that these churches would spout this sort of stuff fairly regularly, the fact that it's Folau who is doing it makes it far more newsworthy than all of the other ones.
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@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
Did Folau post it on Facebook? Or did his Church post it to their own page where they post many of their sermons? And if so, do you think it's worth media outlets seeking out a fundamentalist Church's sermons to splash them all over the news?
Plenty of potentially offensive shit gets spouted in Churches and Mosques right across Australia. If we seek them out then I'm sure we can find all sorts of stuff to get offended by.
Comes with the territory. Remember, all of this started because Folau posted some things on instagram which drew attention to his (insert your own view here - but I'll say misguided, outdated & dangerous) beliefs.
If he had caused no issues at all previously, I'd agree with you.
It seems to me that he's just going to keep doubling down now.
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@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
It's not just a sermon from a 'fundamentalist church' though. It's a sermon in a fundamentalist church from one of Australia's most prominent sportsmen. The very same sportsman who is currently engaged in a very public legal dispute over the issue of religious discrimination, funded in part by a crowdfunding campaign.
While I agree that these churches would spout this sort of stuff fairly regularly, the fact that it's Folau who is doing it makes it far more newsworthy than all of the other ones.
I'm fairly sure that is now ex Australian sportsman.
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You can't say old Izzy lacks courage in his convictions. First the new sermon stuff, now he's upped his damages claim against Aus Rugby. Kid's lost his goddam mind! Reckons he coulda been captain.
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@mariner4life I coulda been an AB, who do I sue?
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
You can't say old Izzy lacks courage in his convictions. First the new sermon stuff, now he's upped his damages claim against Aus Rugby. Kid's lost his goddam mind! Reckons he coulda been captain.
He lost his mind.
Then the Lord found it for him.
And instructed him to expand his real estate empire.Izzy: I could have earned more overseas once the contract finished as well
RA: Your contract is over. So why don't you?
Izzy: ...
RA:
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@Bovidae said in Aussie Rugby:
God must have told Izzy he was underselling himself.
and then god said unto him "you for realz would have been captain bro. get them dollars". And lo Izzy did go forth unto his lawyers, and, armed as he was with the word of the Lord, verily did he command both Maurice, and Blackburn, to smite the vile unbelievers at the ARU. "$14 million shall be the tribute. Basic mafs bro"
Amen
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is his a different version?
Colossians 3:13 â Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.
Proverbs 1:19 So are the ways of everyone who is greedy for gain. ... Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.
âKeep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, âNever will I leave you; never will I forsake youââ (Hebrews 13:5).
Sports requiring athletes to support cultural positions