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Was talking to my gay cousin and his partner about this Folau thing and they had a unique and relevant take on the whole saga.
Basically their message to Raelene and Allan Joyce and all other heterosexuals condemning Folau on behalf of all homosexuals was "Go fuck yourselves!"
His position was; if an adulterer, drunkard, idolator, fornicator, thief, atheist or liar was actually offended by Folau's quote then stand on that as it affects you and you have a genuine grievance.
But, if all of that is "water off your back" or nonsense talk, and you're standing up for the gays out of ill informed pity, well the arrogance and superiority of your position is an insult to anyone born homosexual.
You're basically saying "look it doesn't bother me as an atheist, but the homosexuals obviously can't mentally cope with this nonsense like I can. They are intellectually inferior, can't evaluate their position as well as me and need me to help them - the poor, intellectually challenged gays without the same rationalising mechanisms as me."
I got their point.
Basically their position was mind your own fucking business and stop fawning over us like we're victims to dumb talk, while you're not.
You're not offended by it, so why assume that I am.
How can we get on with our lives when you all continually keep pointing us out as fragile marginalised members of society?
Their last point as rugby fans was; stop using us as victims and stop denigrating our intelligence, not all of us are as precious and fragile as you'd believe us to be. All we want to do is watch rugby and Izzy's good at rugby. His nonsense beliefs mean nothing to us.
Fair call. The whole thing has been about upsetting gays with nary a word about the other "sinners". Incredibly arrogant in my view, and my relations (sample size of 2 homos).
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@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
Was talking to my gay cousin and his partner about this Folau thing and they had a unique and relevant take on the whole saga.
Basically their message to Raelene and Allan Joyce and all other heterosexuals condemning Folau on behalf of all homosexuals was "Go fuck yourselves!"
His position was; if an adulterer, drunkard, idolator, fornicator, thief, atheist or liar was actually offended by Folau's quote then stand on that as it affects you and you have a genuine grievance.
But, if all of that is "water off your back" or nonsense talk, and you're standing up for the gays out of ill informed pity, well the arrogance and superiority of your position is an insult to anyone born homosexual.
You're basically saying "look it doesn't bother me as an atheist, but the homosexuals obviously can't mentally cope with this nonsense like I can. They are intellectually inferior, can't evaluate their position as well as me and need me to help them - the poor, intellectually challenged gays without the same rationalising mechanisms as me."
I got their point.
Basically their position was mind your own fucking business and stop fawning over us like we're victims to dumb talk, while you're not.
You're not offended by it, so why assume that I am.
How can we get on with our lives when you all continually keep pointing us out as fragile marginalised members of society?
Their last point as rugby fans was; stop using us as victims and stop denigrating our intelligence, not all of us are as precious and fragile as you'd believe us to be. All we want to do is watch rugby and Izzy's good at rugby. His nonsense beliefs mean nothing to us.
Fair call. The whole thing has been about upsetting gays with nary a word about the other "sinners". Incredibly arrogant in my view, and my relations (sample size of 2 homos).
Oh you're going to love this then
Click on the link in the first tweet
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@jegga Can't access
@Siam The "issue" with that position is that they have also assumed that their lack of of offense is common across all gay folk, including the 14yr old who is afraid to come out because his rugby teammates won't ever speak to him again and his Dad will beat him and his church will cast him out. It's quite an arrogant view in and of itself.
For me though this just keeps coming back to the employment issue. You tell your employer you're going to behave in a certain way then you don't, them you double down, then you're on pretty thin ice.
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@voodoo yep, I agree.
And in the power fight between the will of the employer and the law of the land (an ongoing civilisation battle), we're none the wiser what prevails - except that lawyers always win.And, we've made remarkable strides of progress for the 14 year olds situation, truly remarkable and should reset our cognizance of that issue to reflect 2019 as opposed to 1989
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@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
Was talking to my gay cousin and his partner about this Folau thing and they had a unique and relevant take on the whole saga.
Basically their message to Raelene and Allan Joyce and all other heterosexuals condemning Folau on behalf of all homosexuals was "Go fuck yourselves!"
His position was; if an adulterer, drunkard, idolator, fornicator, thief, atheist or liar was actually offended by Folau's quote then stand on that as it affects you and you have a genuine grievance.
But, if all of that is "water off your back" or nonsense talk, and you're standing up for the gays out of ill informed pity, well the arrogance and superiority of your position is an insult to anyone born homosexual.
You're basically saying "look it doesn't bother me as an atheist, but the homosexuals obviously can't mentally cope with this nonsense like I can. They are intellectually inferior, can't evaluate their position as well as me and need me to help them - the poor, intellectually challenged gays without the same rationalising mechanisms as me."
I got their point.
Basically their position was mind your own fucking business and stop fawning over us like we're victims to dumb talk, while you're not.
You're not offended by it, so why assume that I am.
How can we get on with our lives when you all continually keep pointing us out as fragile marginalised members of society?
Their last point as rugby fans was; stop using us as victims and stop denigrating our intelligence, not all of us are as precious and fragile as you'd believe us to be. All we want to do is watch rugby and Izzy's good at rugby. His nonsense beliefs mean nothing to us.
Fair call. The whole thing has been about upsetting gays with nary a word about the other "sinners". Incredibly arrogant in my view, and my relations (sample size of 2 homos).
I think it's a great attitude by your cousin and his partner but they di miss a couple of points. Those raised by @voodoo and also the fact that all the others he is sentencing to hell are matters of personal choice rather than something out of one's control.
Plus of course the employment issues mentioned. With Folau saying the one thing to RA and then doing another, isn't he a liar?
See you there Izzy, with all the gays and about 90% of the posters on here.
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@Catogrande you put fact and hell in the same sentence bro 😀.
Replace God with "Santa" and we have the real crux of this tempest - fake outrage to promote an agenda.
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@Mokey said in The Folau Factor:
Now that the employment issue is sorted, complete with utter bullshit press release, here's hoping fuckwit fades into obscurity where he belongs and no media outlet feels the need to share any of his insane ramblings ever again.
I hope they do, its going to make it even funnier when Maria tearfully tells womens weekly about "My betrayal by Israel" after she comes home early from a holiday or something and catches him snacking on some blokes chutney ferret.
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Siam your gay cousin who knows the whole situation and has a bit more right leaning opinion than expected doesn’t know Joyce is gay?
Kindly don't besmirch or insult my cousin based on my writing a recollection on a forum. Not fair man
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@voodoo said in The Folau Factor:
@jegga said in The Folau Factor:
some blokes chutney ferret.
I have no idea what this means, but man the visuals are unpleasant
Every time I see an evangelical Christian or gay conversion therapy advocate in the news I expect to see them someday in the news again admitting they like to smoke pole . The more vehemently they rant they more perverted they usually turn out to be.
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@jegga said in The Folau Factor:
@voodoo said in The Folau Factor:
@jegga said in The Folau Factor:
some blokes chutney ferret.
I have no idea what this means, but man the visuals are unpleasant
Every time I see an evangelical Christian or gay conversion therapy advocate in the news I expect to see them someday in the news again admitting they like to smoke pole . The more vehemently they rant they more perverted they usually turn out to be.
Guilt transference?
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@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Siam your gay cousin who knows the whole situation and has a bit more right leaning opinion than expected doesn’t know Joyce is gay?
Kindly don't besmirch or insult my cousin based on my writing a recollection on a forum. Not fair man
Bsmirch? Unfair? What you talking about?
Your cousins view point is made up of straight people taking on behalf of gay - which I actually agree with.
Hardly a big deal / insult to point that one of the two people criticised for being offended on behalf of the gay community when being straight is gay, is it?
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Siam your gay cousin who knows the whole situation and has a bit more right leaning opinion than expected doesn’t know Joyce is gay?
Kindly don't besmirch or insult my cousin based on my writing a recollection on a forum. Not fair man
Bsmirch? Unfair? What you talking about?
Your cousins view point is made up of straight people taking on behalf of gay - which I actually agree with.
Hardly a big deal / insult to point that one of the two people criticised for being offended on behalf of the gay community when being straight is gay, is it?
Apologies, I misinterpreted "knows whole situation" (nobody can) and " more right leaning than expected" ( by whom? wierd assumption that all gays are left leaning ) and that a slight syntax error in a non quote (and all other Heteros...) doesn't necessarily indicate ignorance of Joyce's sexuality. As we all know Joyce is gay because he told us. Many times
Seems your sentence writing is just as vague, or more than mine. I don't know who my cousin is "taking" on - he's just expressing an opinion of his and his beloved. I don't know what his view point is made up of, that's up to him.
What was the point of your sentence again? To point out my cousin doesn't know Joyce is gay? Wrong but Cool thanks for adding to the discussion
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If you want to make a big deal of this - no problems. I have nothing better to do and we are long overdue a stoush.
@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
Apologies, I misinterpreted "knows whole situation" (nobody can) and " more right leaning than expected" ( by whom? wierd assumption that all gays are left leaning )
Somebody with a passing view on the situation may not necessarily know that AJ is gay - for sure. Your posts suggests some what more than that. Suggesting that the LGBT movement tends to be more left leaning is hardly a view that I'm isolated in, or weird.
and that a slight syntax error in a non quote (and all other Heteros...) doesn't necessarily indicate ignorance of Joyce's sexuality. As we all know Joyce is gay because he told us. Many times
Yes it does. Thanks for making my point for me.
Seems your sentence writing is just as vague, or more than mine. I don't know who my cousin is "taking" on - he's just expressing an opinion of his and his beloved. I don't know what his view point is made up of, that's up to him.
Fair cop, I missed an l. Should be talking. Maybe that makes it somewhat more combatitive.
What was the point of your sentence again? To point out my cousin doesn't know Joyce is gay? Wrong but Cool thanks for adding to the discussion
Well if somebody was telling me their point of view that David Lammy and other white people have no right to speak on behalf of black people, I'd probably point out the issue with their argument to them.
No problems, always happy to add to discussions.
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@voodoo said in The Folau Factor:
For me though this just keeps coming back to the employment issue. You tell your employer you're going to behave in a certain way then you don't, them you double down, then you're on pretty thin ice.
Not sure there was ever proof positive he signed anything to that effect over and above that standard contract, and even if it were the ARU would still need to follow due process in terminating his contracting.
Sports requiring athletes to support cultural positions