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@Wairau said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Ok.... the last few posts sums up the problem with the left in politics. They call Trump extreme, get asked for examples of his policies that are extreme and instead launch into ad hominum attacks and personal experiences.
And extreme isnt the same as wrong. It is just extreme compared to previous norms for that country or party.If Trumps policies are so extreme it should be dead set easy to list a whole bunch.
I will list some off the top of my head for Democrats
Murder of babies up until birth,
Medicare for all
Open Borders.
Elimination of ICE
The Green new deal
Reparations
Removal of Electoral College
Stacking the Supreme courtThose are ALL extreme positions, so far form the historical centre of the independents and indeed even the democratic base.
So @Crucial what are the extreme policies that Trump has instigated , your immigration example is not even close as his policies are more liberal than previous administrationCRUCIAL completely ignored this post. I haven't looked at this sub-forum for months, but find it bizarre and amusing that no matter how far left and idiotic the Democratic positions and arguments have become, Crucial just marches in lockstep denial of common sense.
Wow?!
I was just going to ignore this but as I have been shouted at, I will try and reply without falling into the trap.
@Wairau (and others) can I first state quite clearly, and obviously, that I am not some kind of appointed representative of 'the left' and don't participate here to support anyone's views except my own.
I know that the echo chamber that these politics boards have become are longing for someone to prove worth against but don't appoint me as that person.I find many 'far left' ideas crazy as well. Probably just because they are crazy. I'm not going to go in to bat for something I don't agree as a way of backing up an opinion that I do have. Just because someone doesn't like some of what Trump does or his personality does not make them accountable for every crazy out there.
To me this is the crux of what is wrong with politics across the world at the moment. Instead of different opinions being debated and discussed they are shouted down and silly names and labels are attached to decrease the worth of an individual and their views.
The was a good reason that I didn't reply to that post and it was because it was formed from a misconstrued statement of mine. I said that 'some would find Trump's policies extreme', not that I did.
That true statement led to me being asked to explain a whole bunch of Democratic policies as if there was some need for binary position taking where disagreeing with one thing meant you supported another unrelated one.So, @Wairau please go back and actually read the last couple of pages and tell me where I have declared any support for Democratic policies let alone some of the extreme ones being bandied about.
I came back to this thread with a rather innocuous comment regarding Pete B's lack of support from blacks. I got pounced on with requests to personally justify the behaviours of all and sundry (something I don't even ask Trump supporters to do for him). Since then I have debated impeachment process where my point is simply that you can't claim craziness based on following procedure. Claim it on other points, sure, but not for a party following the rules they didn't make.The only way you conclude that I am in "lockstep denial of common sense" is because you are assigning a position for me.
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@Tim said in US Politics:
They achieved all they could back in 2002 . Bizarre to think the kids conceived on the last leave of the soldiers who served there in 2001 are old enough to serve in the same place .
On the upside they are already one fifth of the way there, only 80 more years till they get a functioning government
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@Tim said in US Politics:
It's hard to not say "I told you so" every time this comes up, but I said at the time it was a dumb idea to expand the mission beyond hunting Bin Laden and that we were doomed to failure. The only question would be how much money and how many lives would be expended until someone had the gumption to admit it was all a disaster and move on.
But that would require people who weren't professionally invested in the advocacy and execution of this disaster to now be in charge and that's unlikely.
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I am curious whether news media will cover this yuuge important story or deliberately ignore it and instead go hunting for more bonfires n’ witches to burn?
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This is an astounding clip from three nights ago, a CNN townhall with Nancy Pelosi. It’s been on youtube a couple times, but funnily keeps getting pulled. Another version popped up this past hour, so watch it while you can.
The gyst: Nancy Pelosi admits that as Speaker of the House and member of the House Intelligence Committee in 2002 she knew that Bush was lying about wmd and starting a war of aggression, and says none of that rised to the level of impeachment the way that corrupt Bad Orange Man has been abusing his power.
Tells me all I need to know about what a SCAM this whole process has been.
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Reading through the IG Report it has become clear that the FBI needs to be gutted and overhauled, which won’t be easy. Nobody can trust them. They’re corrupt, they lie, they break the law, they ensnare and litigate on false pretenses, they falsify reports and warrants ... they are Big Brother. Clint’s new film “Richard Jewell” could not have premiered at a more perfect moment.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
This is an astounding clip from three nights ago, a CNN townhall with Nancy Pelosi. It’s been on youtube a couple times, but funnily keeps getting pulled. Another version popped up this past hour, so watch it while you can.
The gyst: Nancy Pelosi admits that as Speaker of the House and member of the House Intelligence Committee in 2002 she knew that Bush was lying about wmd and starting a war of aggression, and says none of that rised to the level of impeachment the way that corrupt Bad Orange Man has been abusing his power.
Tells me all I need to know about what a SCAM this whole process has been.
Going to war to benefit Halliburton shareholders isn’t considered impeachable ?
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Going to war to benefit Halliburton shareholders isn’t considered impeachable ?
I wonder how much it was worth for her (if anything). And how much for trying to stop Trump (if anything of course). Nancy might be one of the few honest ones. And her and her husband really did make all their money from real estate investments.
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A quote from the politics rules thread:
@Duluth said in Politics Sub Forum:
Don't be a dick
This doesn't mean everyone needs to be super polite. A robust debate with a few elbows thrown can be good banter
Try to avoid
- Personal abuse
- Playing the man not the ball
- Cathy Newman impersonations "So what you're saying is.."
- Generally badgering people because they reached a different conclusion than you
It's obvious some of those have been broken
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When it is unlocked please follow the rules. Otherwise you might lose permission to post in the politics sub forum
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Just listening to Catch and Kill by Ronan Farrow .
It’s timing is awkward for Clinton if she does plan on throwing her hat into the ring . Not only was Harvey a longtime donor and supporter he also organised huge fundraisers for her senate and presidents runs .
You might think “so what?” she might not have known what a predator Weinstein was. It was pretty widely known and I find it hard to believe that she didn’t know but even if she didn’t Farrow was also writing a book about politics while he was working on the story . He had earlier worked for the state department with Clinton and they knew each other, she was going to be interviewed for the book and was keen to be part of it till Weinstein got wind of Farrows investigation and suddenly Clinton wanted nothing to do with him .I’m sure if she does run there’ll be even more awkward questions than last time
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Booker is out .
Bernie’s supporters bleat that the media is against him yet there’s been very little about him having Linda Sarsour as a campaign proxy . She’s a goldmine of awfulness, I’m sure if they were really against him they be drawing attention to his awful choice for a proxy
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The NCAA Football Championship Final is on right now, live national prime time tv, and Trump is at the game, announced and appears on the field with Melania and ROTC. Crowd seems genuinely surprised that he’s there, and ERUPTS in prolonged cheers and booming chants of U-S-A. If Dems were hoping for Impeachment Fever across the heartland, they’ll be sadly disappointed in what they just witnessed. This was not a Trump rally, It just kinda turned into one.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
The NCAA Football Championship Final is on right now, live national prime time tv, and Trump is at the game, announced and appears on the field with Melania and ROTC. Crowd seems genuinely surprised that he’s there, and ERUPTS in prolonged cheers and booming chants of U-S-A. If Dems were hoping for Impeachment Fever across the heartland, they’ll be sadly disappointed in what they just witnessed. This was not a Trump rally, It just kinda turned into one.
The crowd would have been pretty much his demographic though? If you are forking out $1000 for a ticket to the BCS title game (or have a corporate in) and are from South Carolina or Louisiana there is every chance you are an avid Trump supporter.
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@rotated Not if you listen to the media. They’ll tell you EVERYBODY hates Trump — especially if they have an education (this was the college championship) — and they’ll remind you for emphasis that THEY don’t know anybody who likes him.
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@jegga said in US Politics:
Vince Vaughan is apparently cancelled but it’s ok because his recent movies are shit apparently
I love Vince Vaughn. Swingers and Dodgeball have cemented him as a champ in my book.
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@mariner4life said in US Politics:
@jegga said in US Politics:
Vince Vaughan is apparently cancelled but it’s ok because his recent movies are shit apparently
I love Vince Vaughn. Swingers and Dodgeball have cemented him as a champ in my book.
Brawl in Cell block 99 is awesome.
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