Coronavirus - Overall
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Woolworths and Coles react to the "shopping crisis" by introducing elderly shopping hour and people complain that the shelves are still bare.
Like it's the supermarket's fault that they didn't magically create stock levels while every halfwit is busy hoarding whatever they can gets their hands on. This virus really needs to target the morons instead of the elderly.
They could impose limits per shopper to avoid being cleared out as fast.
There have been for about a week now, I'm not so sure this is simply a case of 'damn selfish folk' anymore. From what I understand an expected overnight delivery did not make it so first seniourshour was a bit of a bust, though they at least would have managed to get some food. Should be better tomorrow, our local Woolies is on my running route so I'll see first hand.
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no idea if already posted, but thought this had some great graphics about flattening the curve and comparing different methods of containment
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Woolworths and Coles react to the "shopping crisis" by introducing elderly shopping hour and people complain that the shelves are still bare.
Like it's the supermarket's fault that they didn't magically create stock levels while every halfwit is busy hoarding whatever they can gets their hands on. This virus really needs to target the morons instead of the elderly.
They could impose limits per shopper to avoid being cleared out as fast.
They have been. Woolworths pointed out that they were selling seven days worth of toilet paper in one day and they were doing Christmas levels of retail, something that takes them five months to build up for. Once they realised they've been playing catch up and the logistics just aren't capable.
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Just thinking long term, is the only way we get back to "normal" is with a vaccine? Wont this virus just hang around with potential to flare up until we all have immunity (Survival of the fittest) or we somehow stop the spread?
Think forward to 3 months time and we have it under control with few cases but only 10% of the world have immunity. We open up the borders and relax social gathering rules. What stops those few remaining cases out there starting the spread all over again?
Maybe a country has to have 0 cases for 2 weeks before they can go to another country with 0 cases? How long will this take and can the world survive it. Then what happens if that country somehow gets a new case, do they lose travel privileges?
Someone with a better understanding please explain how this pans out long term, maybe best case scenario.
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What surprised me on my last shop was that it wasn't just cans, pastas, rice, medications and tp that was bare. It was also a lot of cleaning products andbig gaps in laundry detergent, fabric softner, that sort of thing.
In theory, those that stocked up should now be leaving the shops alone so this should all come back pretty soon, assuming the deliveries are still running as they should.
I am concerned about NZ, how much is imported there? How do they guarantee supply if other nations are calling for more? Would be good to get people convincing reassurances? Some believed that most toilet tissue was imported into Oz from China, could have started the scare and everyone around the world just carried it on.
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@Rembrandt Problem is panic buying means you think you cannot get that fabric softner for 3-6 months so instead of buying 1 you buy 12. When everyone does that you run out real quick. We cant get toilet paper but plenty of people have loads as we are still shitting the same amount as before the virus. We haven't magically started shitting twice as much out of fear.
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@chimoaus found this one while I was looking for another article - the San Francisco experience of being (un)prepared for additional waves of the Spanish Influenza may be part of the story: https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-pandemic-response-cities
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@Donsteppa So basically survival of the fittest then. The virus has to make its way through the population slowly to limit the amount of deaths. So we will likely have the borders blocked and restrictions until the hospitals can cope with the number of people left who are likely to get sick.
I'm not sure the world is prepared for the long term impacts of this. I hope I am over thinking it.
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@Donsteppa I'm not concerned about my own risk of dying, I'm more concerned about the vulnerable people and economic fallout from it. What happens to the world economies as they come to a stand still whilst we wait to flatten the curve.
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I took an alpha male test with work colleagues today. If a mad max scenario was to play out.
The results were extremely favorable for me. I will be a hunter-gatherer and should I wish to take a wife, to add to the existing one, I can have the pick of the tribe. My number-crunching boss did not fare so well. He will help with the "women's" work. Assisting with cooking, childrearing and will be rendered a eunuch.
So I've got that going for me.
I did hear today that local government employees have been told there will be a lockdown from Monday for 2 weeks.
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@antipodean ive seen overflowing trolleys with either water or toilet paper in multiple supermarkets. So they aren’t here.
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Mokey said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Every time I see another tweet or story about how lax authorities are being at our airports in regards to travellers coming in (especially from known hotspots), I get more concerned. Like seriously? A fucking pamphlet and off you go?
Here in Taiwan, if you are ordered to self-isolate, you get given a cheap cell phone with a GPS locator on it. You get called at random times.
If you don't answer it or the cellphone comes up not at your address - instant fine.
The leader of your community (apartment complex) checks on you once per day at random times.
NZ should look into this.
Ya can't do that! ... it's a violation of fundamental human rights, an illegal violation no less, very hurtful and uncomfortableness - unacceptable and inappropriate, misogynistic, wacist too. Jemimah Khan and Geoffrey Robertson will be onto you!
Anyway, if ya do, you'll end up with Callum Assange, or whatever he is named, releasing the names and addresses of the coppers' families on Wikileaks, being pronounced courageous, threatening to off himself and escaping into the Eritrean Embassy to spare sane people his presence.
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Iran, Italy and China are countries with high numbers of elderly who were heavy smokers all through their lives. I believe this in some way explains why their death toll is higher. When they get this virus, their lungs inevitably are unable to respond and shut down.
Plus very cold still air in the Winter. -
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@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Donsteppa I'm not concerned about my own risk of dying, I'm more concerned about the vulnerable people and economic fallout from it. What happens to the world economies as they come to a stand still whilst we wait to flatten the curve.
I'm thinking it's doable - it'll take whatever we can do to get economies through the demand shock/get past it quicker. Everything ranging from individuals buying (perhaps online) - a wider range of goods than the proverbial panic bought bog paper, through to some of the 'get through' government support packages starting to be announced everywhere.
I think those government interventions will only increase in intensity as things go, especially for service industries, businesses, and their employees where there is no alternative to the flow of people to generate cash.
That said, I wouldn't like to be in one of the Venezuela's of the world right now. We're all fortunate enough on TSF to be in places with first class health systems and economies........