Coronavirus - Overall
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@taniwharugby I could maybe understand if they all became unwell days after the fact, but the father was literally unwell on the flight home. So no excuse whatsoever for this idiocy.
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Looks like doctors in Australia are pleading for a lockdown saying Australia will be the next Italy if we don't. I think Scomo will hold out impacting the economy for as long as possible. But you have to think that the longer you wait the worse it will be.
Its kind of funny how govts keep revising their restrictions, why not just go straight to the tightest restrictions. Do we think our countries are immune to this?
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Mokey said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Was just reading the story of the latest confirmed cases, and FARRRRRRRRK it makes me angry. Family flying home from the USA. Dad feels unwell on flight home, but then boards flight to Dunedin. They send kid to school on return, yes of course kid tests positive, and now they have to close the school, plus contact all the poor people that were near this bunch of dipshits. No kudos to anyone who let them get to Dunedin, either.
As I said earlier, we are fucked if our strategy is to rely on common sense.
Yep self isolation is the strategy you use when you don’t want to make an unpopular decision.
I'm not sure that's true, self isolation is an unpopular decision in itself and look at all the knock on effects it has had (travel, sports, concerts, runs etc). Hell Labour lost an election just from stopping a Boks rugby tour in the 70s and this current govt just tanked all sport in the country.
I think it's more a case of this is a first step in containment, but they might have to ramp it up because as most are rightly pointing out it appears people are too idiotic to use common sense.
I think that Oz were so worried about doing it that they actually waited for NZ to do it first.
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@voodoo I'm the worst to make a call on the public mate, beautiful rural area and never watch tv. Screen life and real life bear little resemblance for me.
But with only 5 dead so far, I think it'd be a pretty hard sell for most to lose the house over. Certainly in the non cities the folk wouldn't share the "greater good". Also if that bloke is right, I'm in denial phase right now, so that skews things too😀
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@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Mokey Yep, have to say the communist countries and Asians seem to be far better then the west at enforcing strict policies and rules.
Often overlooked or mistaken for blind obedience in these populations is an awareness and will to actually work together through the shit times.
The mountains they can move in a crisis is about the people simply getting on with the job that needs doing.
Other country's people fight over bog paper, they use water
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback he may not have said it directly but everything has changed since 5pm today.
The advice of his experts changed. BoJo has consistently said he's led by his advisors.
Yep. There are threads around from various journalists about how his experts are saying they got it wrong. I think these are fabricated honestly. He has never denied that at some point things were going to need to step up in a big way.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback he may not have said it directly but everything has changed since 5pm today.
He is massively pro business so I don’t think he will ever order anything closed. But everybody seems to making the decisions now in-line with most of the planet.
Yeah I get that, but I htought the whole idea is that he would make this switch eventually, but it was over timing?
Yes that's exactly it. Sorry if that wasn't clear from what I said. The announcement at 5pm today was the change to move to more in line with rest of the world.
Although the kids just went to school, so still not as extreme as the flock over the channel.
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Humans are not rational. Even those of us who think we are. We've had decades of luxury and years of media over-exaggeration its understandable why folk aren't comprehending this as real. Everyone is getting a lens adjustment to see the world in a different way over the next few weeks. God knows how some of the more pampered fragile folk are going to handle it.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Don't discount a mischievous media who are feasting on uncertainty and public outrage at the moment.
This thing's better than war for generating shitty clicks. I can think of one industry making hay on this thing
They lurch from a few really good informative articles to floods of useless drivel and misinformation that only triggers panic and faux outrage
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Don't discount a mischievous media who are feasting on uncertainty and public outrage at the moment.
This thing's better than war for generating shitty clicks. I can think of one industry making hay on this thing
The media covers all angles / facets and subsequently conclusion. So basically people form a conclusion then find a source which agrees with it to back themselves up.
I've been an avid fan of Piers Morgan since I moved here, but he's lost the plot on this. He's the epitome of a journalist who think his opinion is better informed than others.
I've actually decided to just trust the government on this.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Yep. There are threads around from various journalists about how his experts are saying they got it wrong
Jeez, the media need to use their heads in this crisis.
Vallance & Whitty were explicit on TV. They said the numbers showed a bigger increase, particularly in London, and that influenced the timing of the actions they had already planned to take - which was the approach they laid out last week.
Yesterday Scotland's Chief Medical Officer slapped down Piers Knobhead Morgan after he berated him for not shutting down schools and banning people meeting together. "When did you get your PhD in Public Health Piers?. Spot on.
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@Victor-Meldrew Yeah, I watched that. After 20 mins of him, I turned it off. Usually find it entertaining as I agree with almost all of his opinions.
But he's taking the fact the government won't speak to him very badly.
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Used to live near Brackley which is bang in the middle of the UK motorsport industy (which is bloody huge). and full of hi-tech companies used to quick turn-round times
Heard yesterday they are starting to produce ventilators and medical kit.
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@Donsteppa said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Donsteppa I'm not concerned about my own risk of dying, I'm more concerned about the vulnerable people and economic fallout from it. What happens to the world economies as they come to a stand still whilst we wait to flatten the curve.
I'm thinking it's doable - it'll take whatever we can do to get economies through the demand shock/get past it quicker. Everything ranging from individuals buying (perhaps online) - a wider range of goods than the proverbial panic bought bog paper, through to some of the 'get through' government support packages starting to be announced everywhere.
I think those government interventions will only increase in intensity as things go, especially for service industries, businesses, and their employees where there is no alternative to the flow of people to generate cash.
That said, I wouldn't like to be in one of the Venezuela's of the world right now. We're all fortunate enough on TSF to be in places with first class health systems and economies........
In terms of the long term sustainable GDP growth rate the virus shouldn'thave much effect, but the starting point will be a bit lower.
The cash flow impacts, for say six months, will weed out overgeared companies (watch out P.E.), fragile companies which lease a lot of property, start ups, etc. and will kill the prices of mega multiple growth companies.
One hopes a lesson will be to dial back on financial and operating leverage. Like a bushfire, it won't be all bad news.
Perhaps the most challenging impact is on SMEs, many of which have limited cash buffers. In UK, the government is trying to implement in conjunction with the banks schemes which will fund previously solvent firms through the problem. A big issue is how to measure this as they don't want to fund businesses which would have failed anyway.
IS NZ planning anything similar?