Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@taniwharugby I think we should all stay clam
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So they've introduced 4 alert levels. We've been on 1, and they've now upped it to 2.
Asking business to enact BCP plans and work from home, but schools are to remain open.
The issue I see is parents are trying to isolate by working from home, while their kids mingle at school and bring it home with them.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
With the usual caveat about sauces... have now heard via 3 different sauces that lockdown, aside from essential businesses, is a few days away. I presume it is in the pipeline as a possible strategy but any word on timing is pure rumour.
Tried to point that out to the sauces but meh, hard to keep it to yourself if you think you've got the inside word. Those were from local govt, defence force,
and education bottles btw 😁I have been pretty reluctant to criticise the govt, but I think it would be a disaster to prematurely do a lockdown, surely they wouldnt be that dumb?
So they lock down for 2 weeks, devastate businesses that would otherwise be operating.... in 2 weeks the cases have gone from 28 to 200.... yay? Then what? 2 more weeks? some more companies collapse... cases go from 200 to 1000, then what? 2 more weeks? How many companies would be left after a couple of months of lockdown? Fuck.AllOn the flipside it would seem within reach to squash this to 0 (or at least all identified) with a two week lockdown. With strict border controls after than the economy would hum relative to everywhere else. Certainty more than anything is at a premium right now.
You seem to have more faith in the government to surf the wave between 200-2000 cases than I.
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@rotated ultimately it's going to come down to the public. All the Govt rules, regulations and (finite) enforcement can only do so much if we have a lot of people flouting the advice/requirement for reduced social contact or isolation.
Regular and easy to digest info from the Govt on as many platforms as possible is vital - soooo much brain numbingly dumb stuff being shared and causing all sorts of angst and fear.
@Kirwan agree 100%. Maybe (for good or ill) they felt they had to wait for that first instance of community transmission? surely a matter days till we hit level 3.
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@No-Quarter is a tough one really, guess the part of it is, while they are supposed to be at school, many of them are at school, but if you close the schools, how many of these kids will stay at home, especially the teens whose parents have to head out to work?
Holidays are supposed to start in 3 weeks, maybe bring them forward a week or 2?
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@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
2 of those new cases aren’t related to travel..
The horse has bolted I reckon. Only up to 53 cases total but it’s clear from what I read online that NZ/Australia citizens still not taking this too seriously yet. You’re going to see the govt rapidly reduce those maximum gathering numbers. A virus that spreads rapidly but with a 7 day latency period...
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Nanogirl on TV now saying people aren't taking social distancing seriously, considering what she saw in Ponsonby last night. Restaurants and bars going off. Sounds more Italy than Asia. I think the government will have to play hardball and lockdown bars restaurants and other areas where people congregate such as gyms as the people can't be trusted to do the right thing
Some in NZ must think they can escape from because NZ is an island nation and far away. The rude awakening is coming...
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The four stages of threat are as follows:
Alert Level One is where Covid-19 is here, but contained. In this phase we prepare. The basics, like border measures, contact tracing and cancelling mass gatherings are activated. This is where we have been when Covid first arrived in New Zealand.
Alert Level Two is where the disease is contained but the risks are growing because we have more cases. This is when we move to reduce our contact with one another. We increase our border measures, and we cancel events. This is also the level where we ask people to work differently if they can, and cancel unnecessary travel.
Alert Level Three is where the disease is increasingly difficult to contain. This is where we restrict our contact by stepping things up again. We close public venues and ask non-essential businesses to close.
Alert Level Four is where we have sustained transmission. This is where we eliminate contact with each other altogether. We keep essential services going but ask everyone to stay at home until Covid-19 is back under control.
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@taniwharugby every other country has community spread. Our case numbers are jumping up by the day. People are being dicks and still going out. Our testing is really low. So no, I don't believe Jacinda on the no community spread point.
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@rotated said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
With the usual caveat about sauces... have now heard via 3 different sauces that lockdown, aside from essential businesses, is a few days away. I presume it is in the pipeline as a possible strategy but any word on timing is pure rumour.
Tried to point that out to the sauces but meh, hard to keep it to yourself if you think you've got the inside word. Those were from local govt, defence force,
and education bottles btw 😁I have been pretty reluctant to criticise the govt, but I think it would be a disaster to prematurely do a lockdown, surely they wouldnt be that dumb?
So they lock down for 2 weeks, devastate businesses that would otherwise be operating.... in 2 weeks the cases have gone from 28 to 200.... yay? Then what? 2 more weeks? some more companies collapse... cases go from 200 to 1000, then what? 2 more weeks? How many companies would be left after a couple of months of lockdown? Fuck.AllOn the flipside it would seem within reach to squash this to 0 (or at least all identified) with a two week lockdown. With strict border controls after than the economy would hum relative to everywhere else. Certainty more than anything is at a premium right now.
You seem to have more faith in the government to surf the wave between 200-2000 cases than I.
What? We have zero chance of reducing cases to 0 in the next two weeks.
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I am starting to think many in this thread and around the country are actually loving the drama. A shutdown now would be disastrous for economy, destroyed lives and suicides. Because any lockdown we start now won't be over for months. Doing a lockdown now would a catastrophic mistake. They need to get tougher on gatherings, but not shut down the whole economy.
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@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So they've introduced 4 alert levels. We've been on 1, and they've now upped it to 2.
Asking business to enact BCP plans and work from home, but schools are to remain open.
The issue I see is parents are trying to isolate by working from home, while their kids mingle at school and bring it home with them.
It's a numbers game. Try and reduce as many human interactions as possible, whilst recognising there will still be some. Reducing but not eliminating.
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Pdf file with the Alert Levels explained:
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I am starting to think many in this thread and around the country are actually loving the drama. A shutdown now would be disastrous for economy, destroyed lives and suicides. Because any lockdown we start now won't be over for months. Doing a lockdown now would a catastrophic mistake. They need to get tougher on gatherings, but not shut down the whole economy.
I think people are extremely concerned about loved ones that are high risk. I know I am. I also don't know how they get tougher on gatherings without closing things down.
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@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I am starting to think many in this thread and around the country are actually loving the drama. A shutdown now would be disastrous for economy, destroyed lives and suicides. Because any lockdown we start now won't be over for months. Doing a lockdown now would a catastrophic mistake. They need to get tougher on gatherings, but not shut down the whole economy.
I think people are extremely concerned about loved ones that are high risk. I know I am. I also don't know how they get tougher on gatherings without closing things down.
When you hear stories about that wedding in aussie where 35 people ended up getting infected it makes you see why people need to be saved from themselves