Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Kirwan Telcos have to record text messages, calls and phone locations. Locations can be obtained from the cell signal and gps. Phones constantly ping the nearest tower and that is recorded.
Of course police need a "reason" to access this but its all there. It has led Police to bodies in the bush and helped solve many crimes.
Best way around this is to send internet messages and delete those messages. As Police also have a device that downloads the entire phone/computer content.
Also if you are going to take photos of all of your stolen property and drugs it pays to turn off the gps as it's hard to explain why those photos were inside your house. 👍
Oh and one last creepy thing is police can make a virtual copy of your phone which records everything done on the phone including the actual voice calls, accurate gps etc.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We are taking baby steps towards, or at least setting up the infrastructure for, an authoritarian state. We have to keep track of these changes and ensure they all rolled back.
it's for your own safety you understand. We are only doing what is best for you
Covid19 is actually a construct that will enable the government to enslave us all forever
It doesn't matter what the disaster is, governments around the world always grab more power if they can.
This doesn't even register in my 'worry about' thought process. I really have never lived worrying about what the Government is going to do. That's the beauty of living in this country.
That should make you treasure it even more. Burying your head in the sand is your prerogative, but loudly proclaiming about it is next level ostrich.
History is full of liberties lost. I don't lose sleep over it, but you seem to take it to the next level and imply anyone who raises concerns is a nervous Nelly
Not at all, as I also don't think of the thought process around the people saying it. Everyone is allowed a thought process whether it is nervous nelly or not. I just think people lose faith in process where I haven't.
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69 new confirmed/probable
ONly 1% confirmed community transmission, 18% unknown.
1 in ICU, so were 2 in ICU yesterday, over 100 now recovered.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
69 new confirmed/probable
ONly 1% confirmed community transmission, 18% unknown.
1 in ICU, so were 2 in ICU yesterday, over 100 now recovered.
That's good news as we the near the two week mark(?)
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@Stargazer which means the figures over the next 3 or 4 days as we head into 2 weeks in lockdown will be very pivotal as to how long we stay in lockdown.
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Yeah, so stupid. Totally giving the wrong message to people who are already struggling to abide by the lockdown rules.
Unhelpful when your own PM is unclear about what is permitted and what isn't:
The official Covid-19 website says private vehicles should be used for essential purposes, and does not mention using vehicles to travel short distances for exercise. But Ardern and senior government officials, including Police Commissioner Mike Bush, have said driving very locally to visit a park was acceptable. "There are some people who not near an area where they can safely walk or they can safely get fresh air, so we do accept that people will make short-distance journeys," Ardern said on Tuesday.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Yeah, so stupid. Totally giving the wrong message to people who are already struggling to abide by the lockdown rules.
Unhelpful when your own PM is unclear about what is permitted and what isn't:
The official Covid-19 website says private vehicles should be used for essential purposes, and does not mention using vehicles to travel short distances for exercise. But Ardern and senior government officials, including Police Commissioner Mike Bush, have said driving very locally to visit a park was acceptable. "There are some people who not near an area where they can safely walk or they can safely get fresh air, so we do accept that people will make short-distance journeys," Ardern said on Tuesday.
Do people like you (and I ) grasp what we can and can't do without it being spelled out? I think the answer is yes.
People are complaining about the wishy-washy-ness of the instruction yet complain of living in a police state if we are governed strictly to a rule.
I like that it lets me make a sensible decision on what I can and can't do.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Yeah, so stupid. Totally giving the wrong message to people who are already struggling to abide by the lockdown rules.
Unhelpful when your own PM is unclear about what is permitted and what isn't:
The official Covid-19 website says private vehicles should be used for essential purposes, and does not mention using vehicles to travel short distances for exercise. But Ardern and senior government officials, including Police Commissioner Mike Bush, have said driving very locally to visit a park was acceptable. "There are some people who not near an area where they can safely walk or they can safely get fresh air, so we do accept that people will make short-distance journeys," Ardern said on Tuesday.
Do people like you (and I ) grasp what we can and can't do without it being spelled out? I think the answer is yes.
People are complaining about the wishy-washy-ness of the instruction yet complain of living in a police state if we are governed strictly to a rule.
I like that it lets me make a sensible decision on what I can and can't do.
Unless that decision is going for a swim or surf apparently.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Yeah, so stupid. Totally giving the wrong message to people who are already struggling to abide by the lockdown rules.
Unhelpful when your own PM is unclear about what is permitted and what isn't:
The official Covid-19 website says private vehicles should be used for essential purposes, and does not mention using vehicles to travel short distances for exercise. But Ardern and senior government officials, including Police Commissioner Mike Bush, have said driving very locally to visit a park was acceptable. "There are some people who not near an area where they can safely walk or they can safely get fresh air, so we do accept that people will make short-distance journeys," Ardern said on Tuesday.
Do people like you (and I ) grasp what we can and can't do without it being spelled out? I think the answer is yes.
People are complaining about the wishy-washy-ness of the instruction yet complain of living in a police state if we are governed strictly to a rule.
I like that it lets me make a sensible decision on what I can and can't do.
Unless that decision is going for a swim or surf apparently.
But you and I grasp that we should not as per L4 lockdown protocol.
I want to run up Wairere falls which is close to me but I know I am not allowed. I have mown a 200m verge along the roadside so I can hit some golf balls which I know is within limits.
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@Hooroo I've been working from home since the 24th, kids here too, Mrs TR has been out shopping, outside of a walk up and down our road (a KM straight give or take) we are well and truly in our little bubble.
I'd fucking love to go to the beach or the lake for a swim, it's over 25 deg here at the moment (could probably do so and maintain our bubble too) but I know I shouldnt, so I dont.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Yeah, so stupid. Totally giving the wrong message to people who are already struggling to abide by the lockdown rules.
Unhelpful when your own PM is unclear about what is permitted and what isn't:
The official Covid-19 website says private vehicles should be used for essential purposes, and does not mention using vehicles to travel short distances for exercise. But Ardern and senior government officials, including Police Commissioner Mike Bush, have said driving very locally to visit a park was acceptable. "There are some people who not near an area where they can safely walk or they can safely get fresh air, so we do accept that people will make short-distance journeys," Ardern said on Tuesday.
Do people like you (and I ) grasp what we can and can't do without it being spelled out? I think the answer is yes.
People are complaining about the wishy-washy-ness of the instruction yet complain of living in a police state if we are governed strictly to a rule.
I like that it lets me make a sensible decision on what I can and can't do.
Unless that decision is going for a swim or surf apparently.
But you and I grasp that we should not as per L4 lockdown protocol.
That's your interpretation.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Yeah, so stupid. Totally giving the wrong message to people who are already struggling to abide by the lockdown rules.
Unhelpful when your own PM is unclear about what is permitted and what isn't:
The official Covid-19 website says private vehicles should be used for essential purposes, and does not mention using vehicles to travel short distances for exercise. But Ardern and senior government officials, including Police Commissioner Mike Bush, have said driving very locally to visit a park was acceptable. "There are some people who not near an area where they can safely walk or they can safely get fresh air, so we do accept that people will make short-distance journeys," Ardern said on Tuesday.
Do people like you (and I ) grasp what we can and can't do without it being spelled out? I think the answer is yes.
People are complaining about the wishy-washy-ness of the instruction yet complain of living in a police state if we are governed strictly to a rule.
I like that it lets me make a sensible decision on what I can and can't do.
Unless that decision is going for a swim or surf apparently.
But you and I grasp that we should not as per L4 lockdown protocol.
That's your interpretation.
Most peoples interpretation.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Yeah, so stupid. Totally giving the wrong message to people who are already struggling to abide by the lockdown rules.
Unhelpful when your own PM is unclear about what is permitted and what isn't:
The official Covid-19 website says private vehicles should be used for essential purposes, and does not mention using vehicles to travel short distances for exercise. But Ardern and senior government officials, including Police Commissioner Mike Bush, have said driving very locally to visit a park was acceptable. "There are some people who not near an area where they can safely walk or they can safely get fresh air, so we do accept that people will make short-distance journeys," Ardern said on Tuesday.
Do people like you (and I ) grasp what we can and can't do without it being spelled out? I think the answer is yes.
People are complaining about the wishy-washy-ness of the instruction yet complain of living in a police state if we are governed strictly to a rule.
I like that it lets me make a sensible decision on what I can and can't do.
Unless that decision is going for a swim or surf apparently.
But you and I grasp that we should not as per L4 lockdown protocol.
That's your interpretation.
Most peoples interpretation.
Most people wouldn't consider driving a private vehicle so you can go to a park essential either, but apparently Ardern does.
*Most defined as per our own scientifically constructed polling methods.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Yeah, so stupid. Totally giving the wrong message to people who are already struggling to abide by the lockdown rules.
Unhelpful when your own PM is unclear about what is permitted and what isn't:
The official Covid-19 website says private vehicles should be used for essential purposes, and does not mention using vehicles to travel short distances for exercise. But Ardern and senior government officials, including Police Commissioner Mike Bush, have said driving very locally to visit a park was acceptable. "There are some people who not near an area where they can safely walk or they can safely get fresh air, so we do accept that people will make short-distance journeys," Ardern said on Tuesday.
Do people like you (and I ) grasp what we can and can't do without it being spelled out? I think the answer is yes.
People are complaining about the wishy-washy-ness of the instruction yet complain of living in a police state if we are governed strictly to a rule.
I like that it lets me make a sensible decision on what I can and can't do.
Unless that decision is going for a swim or surf apparently.
But you and I grasp that we should not as per L4 lockdown protocol.
That's your interpretation.
Most peoples interpretation.
Most people wouldn't consider driving a private vehicle so you can go to a park essential either, but apparently Ardern does.
*Most defined as per our own scientifically constructed polling methods.
I am referring to Surfing. Most people know you can't hence the empty surf breaks by comparison.
They allow us to make sensible decisions and aren't making a rule for evert scenario. It's almost like they trust us to make the right decision which the most are doing
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so, do any of you know anyone who has done the hydroxochloroquine/azithromycin/zinc 5 day treatment-and is it prescribed actively by doctors in NZ?
I'd like to know more so that can push this option to my family, either as treatment, or preventative.
I worry that hospitals/doctors tasked to take WuFlu cases won't give this treatment during the important early few days and then it might be too late, and ARDS will kick in.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Unhelpful when your own PM is unclear about what is permitted and what isn't:
The official Covid-19 website says private vehicles should be used for essential purposes, and does not mention using vehicles to travel short distances for exercise.
But Ardern and senior government officials, including Police Commissioner Mike Bush, have said driving very locally to visit a park was acceptable.
"There are some people who not near an area where they can safely walk or they can safely get fresh air, so we do accept that people will make short-distance journeys," Ardern said on Tuesday.
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Most peoples interpretation.
Most people wouldn't consider driving a private vehicle so you can go to a park essential either, but apparently Ardern does.
*Most defined as per our own scientifically constructed polling methods.
Taken out of context.
Ardern and senior officials like Mike Bush have said that driving very locally to visit a park was acceptable for some people, like those who don't live near an area where they can safely walk or they can safely get fresh air.
This was used as an example to the rule of staying local and not driving elsewhere for your exercise/getting fresh air.