Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback Are you trying to be deliberately obtuse or contrary? If so congratulations.
Work in an essential industry with no alternative options or work in a non essential industry with options.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@JC nah I think my KS is made up of all the companies losing value worldwide
I prefer not to look at my KS. I'm not going to need it for some time anyway
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@dogmeat said in Lockdown Check In:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback Are you trying to be deliberately obtuse or contrary? If so congratulations.
Work in an essential industry with no alternative options or work in a non essential industry with options.
Are you posing a false dichotomy to prop your weak argument or just being stupid? If so congratulations.
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Leaders of big business that will benefit from a lock down killing off small business competitors n NZ support a lockdown.... shocked.
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@JC I don't disagree with anything that you've written which is why I made the point that NZ is in the fortunate position of having had two decades of careful Finance Ministers and had by world standards low govt debt going into the pandemic.
Don't get me wrong I do think this is going to be very difficult both individually (for all but a few) and collectively, but the 30's demonstrated the folly of cutting costs in times like these.
In terms of the govt dictating the circumstances that led to the job losses does anyone really think we should have left the borders open and even if we had would tourists have still been coming?
In terms of the broader impacts - large tranches of the economy should gear up again reasonably well. Countries will still need to buy our food, construction will get a stimulus, but I think the point being missed is that if we had sustained and high death rates a lot of companies wouldn't have suvived that scenario either.
There's a lot of criticism of actions that the govt has taken, and, despite the view of others I have been no big fan of this govt, however I have yet to see a single alternative option put forward that couldn't be distilled down to leave everything open - we will be OK.
2nd time today my clumsy fingers have completely changed the meaning of what I meant to type. Apologies @JC
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@JC I don't agree with anything that you've written which is why I made the point that NZ is in the fortunate position of having had two decades of careful Finance Ministers and had by world standards low govt debt going into the pandemic.
Don't get me wrong I do think this is going to be very difficult both individually (for all but a few) and collectively, but the 30's demonstrated the folly of cutting costs in times like these.
In terms of the govt dictating the circumstances that led to the job losses does anyone really think we should have left the borders open and even if we had would tourists have still been coming?
In terms of the broader impacts - large tranches of the economy should gear up again reasonably well. Countries will still need to buy our food, construction will get a stimulus, but I think the point being missed is that if we had sustained and high death rates a lot of companies wouldn't have suvived that scenario either.
There's a lot of criticism of actions that the govt has taken, and, despite the view of others I have been no big fan of this govt, however I have yet to see a single alternative option put forward that couldn't be distilled down to leave everything open - we will be OK.
Close the borders, All visitors go into a govt controlled quarantine for 14 days. Enforced a lockdown on over 65s and vulnerable people, massive aid package to ramp up support for these people around home deliveries and mental health.
Leave schools and all businesses open, with hospitality restricted to keep strict logs of all visitor's. Subsidise local tourism ventures whilst also giving aid package to market them to locals -
@Kirwan the baron gave an example. Which IMO was ridiculous.
As soon as you are in a situation where there is a complete lockdown except for essential services then you have to define "essential". It's the govts role to do this. They explained their rationale behind excluding butchers and greengrocers etc. You don't have to accept it but there was a degree of thought behind it.
Personally I think the govt has allowed too many companies to push the envelope. If we have to have a lockdown I'd prefer it to be short and brutal so that we maximise the opportunity to return to some sort of normality as quickly as possible.
Of course many would not have enforced the lockdown
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
All visitors go into a govt controlled quarantine for 14 days.
this is what is happening from midnight tonight, which should have happend when the rest of NZ went into lockdown.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Wow just 29 cases today, it’s working isn’t it?
Let's keep it up and get the fark on with life on the other side asap
Yup! 2 more weeks of this and we maybe in a place to start the recovery.
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@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Expect schools to stay closed given this big rollout of devices, modems and education programs
My sister's kids in Melbourne have had their schools closed for all of term 2 with little warning. I hope we don't follow suit
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
All visitors go into a govt controlled quarantine for 14 days.
this is what is happening from midnight tonight, which should have happend when the rest of NZ went into lockdown.
Better late than never. It's no time to stuff that up
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Lockdown Check In:
@booboo apparently GPs have had a massive loss of revenue because alert level 4 means people just aren't going, even though they are allowed to.
Our clinic is suffering this at the moment. The doctors have noticed a severe drop off in traffic because people think they will be swamped with covid19. Actually a good time (if there ever is one) to get non-covid unwell and head to your GMP or A&E
i had to go to the Doc this week, and i have never, ever seen the practice that empty.
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@mariner4life chafing?