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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
It is early days but I am getting a vibe that Muller and the Nats are taking a slant of trying to return the country to where it was pre-covid, while Labour may be looking to embrace the opportunity to change.
What Labour decide to change will be the key to selling their vision of course.Personally I think we have found ourselves in a situation where some very good changes can take place and many businesses have already been able to work with that. That change itself will drive jobs. Will be interesting to see where things go.
Never waste a good disaster, right?
Or a war.
These things are painful when they happen but are often the catalyst for good change as they provide opportunities that are too difficult when things are trucking along. -
@Toddy said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan There is at least one Gov Department that is breathing a huge sigh of relief at the moment. They were on track to blow their budget (by sh*tloads) and are now pretty confident that it will be hidden behind Covid 19. Will be interesting to see if it ever hits the media but it's looking pretty unlikely now.
I’m surprised that more hasn’t been made of Work and Income telling people that they have to use up their redundancy money before being eligible for help. They pushed it off as confusion among staff in training but even thier own website had to be fixed to remove the reference to it.
How many people over how long have been flicked off with that lie?The dept you mention won’t be able to hide it as long as some journo does their analysis properly and doesn’t just wait for a tweet to reprint.
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Quite simply because it isn't a four year old asking the question, it is most likely someone setting up a strawman.
Is it really such a simple question? Maybe your belief of a simple answer is the only reason you think the question is simple?
Genuinely lost here. Couldn't the exact same be said about the abortion question?
Why is looking for a yes/no answer on an issue as complicated as abortion valid, but an open-ended question on a pretty fundamental issue is somewhat a strawman?
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@rotated said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Quite simply because it isn't a four year old asking the question, it is most likely someone setting up a strawman.
Is it really such a simple question? Maybe your belief of a simple answer is the only reason you think the question is simple?
Genuinely lost here. Couldn't the exact same be said about the abortion question?
Why is looking for a yes/no answer on an issue as complicated as abortion valid, ....
I don’t think it is
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@rotated said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
I don’t think it is
That was how it was put to Muller.
As for strawmen the abortion discussion generally devolves immediately into... rape/incest/mother's life in danger.
usually followed by shouting
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@rotated said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
I don’t think it is
That was how it was put to Muller.
As for strawmen the abortion discussion generally devolves immediately into... rape/incest/mother's life in danger.
I don't disagree with you. That is the reason why the earlier discussion was around how he should have avoided providing a yes/no answer because it doesn't give him room to provide explanation. Doubly bad when he is not only answering on a personal basis but as leader.
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@taniwharugby as a New Zealander, that's embarrassing.
No doubt a vociferous reaction coming to all those not social distancing. If that isn't acted on by the government then one wonders what the authoritarian approach to the COVID situation was all about.
What's it to be Cindy, go hard or capitulate to social warriors in an irrelevant protest? -
Are the same people telling everyone to stay indoors those now congregating to show support for people they've never met across the Pacific Ocean?
Is next weekend's march for Hong Kong or the Uighurs?
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Man this article freaked me out. The rabid comparisons with the US. God knows the relevance of religion in the " Muslim lives matter" message.
I know it's media but are you guys in NZ hearing many conversations as perverted as this article claims?
Is NZ demonstrably racist against people of colour now? I ain't been back for a while and if this is the real mood of the nation it might be a bit longer.
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If these dickheads marching cause another outbreak of Covid I am going to be extremely pissed off
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby as a New Zealander, that's embarrassing.
No doubt a vociferous reaction coming to all those not social distancing. If that isn't acted on by the government then one wonders what the authoritarian approach to the COVID situation was all about.
What's it to be Cindy, go hard or capitulate to social warriors in an irrelevant protest?@Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby as a New Zealander, that's embarrassing.
No doubt a vociferous reaction coming to all those not social distancing. If that isn't acted on by the government then one wonders what the authoritarian approach to the COVID situation was all about.
What's it to be Cindy, go hard or capitulate to social warriors in an irrelevant protest?She dodged a series of specific questions on that on Hosking’s show about half an hour ago. Honest and transparent.
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@taniwharugby Yeah Black Lives Matter - seemingly more than those of your fellow Kiwi's you fucking gobshites.
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Bit of a rock and a hard place situation though. How do you go about breaking up a protest like that, considering there would be a (not insignificant) minority who might be spoiling for a fight with a copper?
So on the one hand you risk an outbreak, but on the other you risk a potentially violent, messy clash between police and protesters, which could trigger further protests and backlash in other places.
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