Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@akan004 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
A few callers on ZB have said that Air NZ flight attendants apparently do not have to go through quarantine upon arrival. Can someone confirm this? If this true then it's only a matter of time before the 2nd wave hits.
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Stewards had no PPE and when asked confirmed that when they land they go home to their families with no restrictions at all.
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@akan004 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
A few callers on ZB have said that Air NZ flight attendants apparently do not have to go through quarantine upon arrival. Can someone confirm this? If this true then it's only a matter of time before the 2nd wave hits.
I think that is true re aircrew, pilots anyway. They don't mix with the public as much as flight attendants, and pretty much all aircrew have a couple of weeks off after every flight at the moment. Whether they self isolate is a different matter.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@akan004 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
A few callers on ZB have said that Air NZ flight attendants apparently do not have to go through quarantine upon arrival. Can someone confirm this? If this true then it's only a matter of time before the 2nd wave hits.
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Stewards had no PPE and when asked confirmed that when they land they go home to their families with no restrictions at all.
I have a couple of patients who are air crew, they were having to quarantine/self-isolate for 14 days in oz and here after flying. But that was in L2, they might be all on now
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So now that I've had time to reflect on this, I'm even more angry at the government.
They took 100% of our rights away for more than a month while they implemented the most draconian lockdown in the world. We all went along with it for the greater good, and we got rid of Covid altogether.
And for what? If the virus spreads again, and based on what we are seeing it seems almost inevitable that it will, what then? We can't go back into lockdown. There was debate about whether the cure was worse than the disease with the first one, if we do it again that will almost certainly be the case.
So what was that lockdown for? What was their long term plan? Close the borders until an unlikely vaccine is created? But then if that was the plan, why are they granting exemptions when it only takes one person to spread it far and wide again?
Or are these politicians so hopelessly out of touch that they think they can just do the lockdown again if need be?
I don't see anything coherent around what our long term plan is for this.
Wonder what Baron is thinking?
Can we let him back on for one day just to read the blistering critique?I don't think he was banned. There were just toys being flung all over the place at not being a mod anymore. Why the F anyone would want that job ....
Personally I feel the environment is better now. There's still some pretty robust debate, but most of the time people are playing the ball not the man
Well if you didn't mention the Orange Johnson in the US politics thread it wasn't too bad.
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@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
This is great...
Just reported now in the Herald the 2 woman were driving a borrowed car, got lost and had to ask for directions.
When they received help they gave that person a hug and kiss...You can’t make this shit up...
Well if you don't laugh, you'd cry right? I hope these two don't get doxxed, it's not their fault that Labour have screwed the pooch here.
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@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
This is great...
Just reported now in the Herald the 2 woman were driving a borrowed car, got lost and had to ask for directions.
When they received help they gave that person a hug and kiss...You can’t make this shit up...
That is an anecdote from a minister and is yet to be backed up though I think.
I can't see another lockdown happening at the 3 or 4 level. I just don't think we have it in us to follow it another time and I think the Govt knows that.
We were superbly behaved for that period so we only had to do it once. You don't get a second chance to ask us to do it again.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
This is great...
Just reported now in the Herald the 2 woman were driving a borrowed car, got lost and had to ask for directions.
When they received help they gave that person a hug and kiss...You can’t make this shit up...
That is an anecdote from a minister and is yet to be backed up though I think.
I can't see another lockdown happening at the 3 or 4 level. I just don't think we have it in us to follow it another time and I think the Govt knows that.
We were superbly behaved for that period so we only had to do it once. You don't get a second chance to ask us to do it again.
Hopefully it’s not true but it’s hard not to feel it is
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I am interested, since I am not in NZ, how long before international travel will be permitted. I would imagine there would be no tourism if you have to quarantine for 2 weeks before you start your trip. Is the belief that this virus will burn out and disappear because I think most people believe there will be at least a second wave and who knows if there will be a vaccine. How would NZ deal with this second wave.
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@broughie prior to yesterday I believe they were still negotiating with Aus and maybe the Islands about a travel bubble (I think Thailand had also expressed interest in a bubble?) but now, I think NZ have proven our own border control isnt robust enough to start doing that with anyone.
Fools.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@broughie prior to yesterday I believe they were still negotiating with Aus and maybe the Islands about a travel bubble (I think Thailand had also expressed interest in a bubble?) but now, I think NZ have proven our own border control isnt robust enough to start doing that with anyone.
Fools.
It illustrates how difficult a transtasman bubble, or any bubble will be to manage. These two ladies travelled UK-Doha(?)-Brisbane-Auckland. If we can't stop people coming in the back door already what hope have we got with a bubble?
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@broughie said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I am interested, since I am not in NZ, how long before international travel will be permitted. I would imagine there would be no tourism if you have to quarantine for 2 weeks before you start your trip. Is the belief that this virus will burn out and disappear because I think most people believe there will be at least a second wave and who knows if there will be a vaccine. How would NZ deal with this second wave.
International travel? Unrestricted? That will likely depend where to and from. Pacific Islands and Aus maybe not that long, anywhere else will depend on what happens.
As for a second wave, it will have to be treated differently. We can't just keep shutting the country down. If it didn't work the first time what makes anyone think it would work next time? Or again after that.
I think civil disobedience would be the result (and as someone mentioned political suicide).
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@Snowy yeah I think it would have to be out of control for them to try and lock us in again, and even then, I agree, civil disobedience would be the result.
Man I really hope this one turns out to be nothing and no one has caught it from them.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy yeah I think it would have to be out of control for them to try and lock us in again, and even then, I agree, civil disobedience would be the result.
Man I really hope this one turns out to be nothing and no one has caught it from them.
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@broughie said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I am interested, since I am not in NZ, how long before international travel will be permitted. I would imagine there would be no tourism if you have to quarantine for 2 weeks before you start your trip. Is the belief that this virus will burn out and disappear because I think most people believe there will be at least a second wave and who knows if there will be a vaccine. How would NZ deal with this second wave.
International travel? Unrestricted? That will likely depend where to and from. Pacific Islands and Aus maybe not that long, anywhere else will depend on what happens.
As for a second wave, it will have to be treated differently. We can't just keep shutting the country down. If it didn't work the first time what makes anyone think it would work next time? Or again after that.
I think civil disobedience would be the result (and as someone mentioned political suicide).
If we have hospital resources in place (frankly there is no excuse for them not to be) we may just need to go Swedish, some businesses barely survived the first wave
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@canefan I don't think you can really compare two people travelling from a COVID hotspot with an extended trans Ta$man bubble with no community transmission in either country. The first poses way more risk.
I listened to several interviews with residents of both the Cooks and Samoa which suggested their is not the broad enthusiasm for a South Pacific bubble we have been led to believe. Comments could be summarised as absentee hotel owners might be keen but we don't want your feelthee disease
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Is better to come clean now ladies, so they can start contact tracing from your movements than lie, and probably end up with your family villified (assuming they lied of course)
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340693
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@broughie said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I am interested, since I am not in NZ, how long before international travel will be permitted. I would imagine there would be no tourism if you have to quarantine for 2 weeks before you start your trip. Is the belief that this virus will burn out and disappear because I think most people believe there will be at least a second wave and who knows if there will be a vaccine. How would NZ deal with this second wave.
International travel? Unrestricted? That will likely depend where to and from. Pacific Islands and Aus maybe not that long, anywhere else will depend on what happens.
As for a second wave, it will have to be treated differently. We can't just keep shutting the country down. If it didn't work the first time what makes anyone think it would work next time? Or again after that.
I think civil disobedience would be the result (and as someone mentioned political suicide).
If we have hospital resources in place (frankly there is no excuse for them not to be) we may just need to go Swedish, some businesses barely survived the first wave
Except also protect nursing homes and the vulnerable.
Its an approach that I always preferred. Focus on the vulnerable and additional advised approaches like working at home, temperature readings, stopping travel from high risk countries etc. Rather than the nanny state, treat people like children, destroy the economy and lives approach. Trust people and treat them like mature adults and 99% will respond well. If anyone is sick and out and about then and only then involve the police. But not excessive powers as they have been given
Edit. And appoint competent people to manage the whole operation. Like sick people arriving in the country from a high risk country should not be able to travel throughout the country as they have
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan I don't think you can really compare two people travelling from a COVID hotspot with an extended trans Ta$man bubble with no community transmission in either country. The first poses way more risk.
I listened to several interviews with residents of both the Cooks and Samoa which suggested their is not the broad enthusiasm for a South Pacific bubble we have been led to believe. Comments could be summarised as absentee hotel owners might be keen but we don't want your feelthee disease
I'm just saying it is complex. You have to
- Stop community transmission in both countries
- Not allow for any contact of passengers from risk areas with bubble passengers, right down to use of same bathrooms and contact surface areas
- Have a robust contact tracing system in place
I don't think we are nearly ready