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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
Marketing issues not technical ones
They picked a frog logo as the media was discovering pepe. The also got involved in a few 4chan jokes. It was poor tactics that made demonising them easier
I doubt even 4chan thought their hoaxes would have been taken so seriously. The moron brigade still bang on about the ok symbol and a green cartoon frog as being the new swastika. Was milk being white supremacist another joke of theirs? Had this sent to me today:
Jesus Fucking Christ
They'll be banning skiing next
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Yes, noble intentions but the execution is what matters. The history of the US govt interventions in various media is enough for me to think it's a terrible idea.
Also it's worth noting the only proposal that seems to be under serious consideration is repealing section 230. That would have a massive negative impact on the right (I mean that in the broadest sense, not just Trumpers). I hope all the noise around that is just bluster, otherwise politicians are stupider than I thought.
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
While people leaving SM platforms is fine, I do wonder if the current ones are so big that entry costs for say, a new Twitter would be too high.
Twitter is the most under threat. The technology doesn't seem like too much of a barrier (gab was fine and Parler seems to be an improvement, I have accounts on both)
What Parler needs for success is a critical mass of users. Currently it is still fringe
The cost of leaving twitter is minimal because it's about current conversations. Compare that to facebook where the content is more about creating an archive as well as having conversations. It's harder to leave.
Is twitter well run? Are a large number of users unhappy? Is there a capable alternative? I think the potential for a significant exodus is there
The next most vulnerable is reddit
I've been pleasantly surprised by the way the conversation has changed on various platforms in the last few months.
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What's the Fern's view on the contention Biden is in a state of cognitive decline that would seriously affect his ability to be President?
I have noticed him slurring his words a lot.
Phasing out and forgetting what he was going to say.
Forgetting simple things.
Something seems up with him.I also notice he seems to be hiding away. Not putting himself out there except in highly controlled settings with friendly press. Even then, he does not make a convincing impression.
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The Presidential cycle is far more than 3 debates.
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Time to re-establish mandatory retirement and extend it to the presidency?
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Dem convention is 20th of August
I still suspect he won’t be the nominee. If I’m correct that will be stage managed. A Biden press conference with his wife, she talked him out of running for health reasons etc etc.. That would happen a week or so before the convention for maximum impact
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@Duluth said in US Politics:
Dem convention is 20th of August
I still suspect he won’t be the nominee. If I’m correct that will be stage managed. A Biden press conference with his wife, she talked him out of running for health reasons etc etc.. That would happen a week or so before the convention for maximum impact
Do you suspect he won't be the nominees because you think the Dems themselves believe is indeed in a state of serious decline and it will be too obvious to voters?
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Frank Biden will be well rested before any debate and well prepared for speaking points.
Either way it rolls, it will be an advertisement for further Constitutional amendment.
There's also the fact that the debates and other appearances on commercial TV in the US really only require three word slogans and indirect, generalised, scripted responses.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
Dem convention is 20th of August
I still suspect he won’t be the nominee. If I’m correct that will be stage managed. A Biden press conference with his wife, she talked him out of running for health reasons etc etc.. That would happen a week or so before the convention for maximum impact
Do you suspect he won't be the nominees because you think the Dems themselves believe is indeed in a state of serious decline and it will be too obvious to voters?
Or another reason?Dems are talking about it. His own campaign is clearly limiting his unscripted moments
Rasmussen polls are dodgy as fuck but 20% of Dem voters said they think he has dementia. If the real number is half that, it’s still pretty bad
Maybe he is fine. The perception is what matters
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@Duluth said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
Dem convention is 20th of August
I still suspect he won’t be the nominee. If I’m correct that will be stage managed. A Biden press conference with his wife, she talked him out of running for health reasons etc etc.. That would happen a week or so before the convention for maximum impact
Do you suspect he won't be the nominees because you think the Dems themselves believe is indeed in a state of serious decline and it will be too obvious to voters?
Or another reason?Dems are talking about it. His own campaign is clearly limiting his unscripted moments
Rasmussen polls are dodgy as fuck but 20% of Dem voters said they think he has dementia. If the real number is half that, it’s still pretty bad
Maybe he is fine. The perception is what matters
Who do they replace him with? The reason they've largely ignored the primary results and gone with him is due to the (probably misguided) belief that he has the best chance against Trump.
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Election interference goes up another notch. Twitter now deleting memes of Trump posted by Trump.
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I don’t get this whole “election interference “ rubbish.
AFAIK Twitter is a private organisation that has a right to allow or disallow whoever they like. They certainly don’t have to allow themselves to be an advertising or promotional tool for everyone.
If they favour one side then it becomes obvious and consumers get to choose whether to use their product.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
I don’t get this whole “election interference “ rubbish.
AFAIK Twitter is a private organisation that has a right to allow or disallow whoever they like. They certainly don’t have to allow themselves to be an advertising or promotional tool for everyone.
If they favour one side then it becomes obvious and consumers get to choose whether to use their product.
I'd argue Facebook is more of an issue with their targeted ads, although Twitter's supression of conservative/non-groupthink voices is an issue as well.
When you shadow ban or just outright ban, that's largely invisible to most consumers so how can they make that choice? Not everybody watches the inside baseball aspect of all this.
As with most things with technology improvements, it's the scale and pace of information that can be an issue. Look at the closeness of the last election, the use of Facebook by the Republicans clearly moved support in close races.
Now change that from Republicans to "Twitter" or "Facebook" moved support and the problem should be clear.
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@junior said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
Dem convention is 20th of August
I still suspect he won’t be the nominee. If I’m correct that will be stage managed. A Biden press conference with his wife, she talked him out of running for health reasons etc etc.. That would happen a week or so before the convention for maximum impact
Do you suspect he won't be the nominees because you think the Dems themselves believe is indeed in a state of serious decline and it will be too obvious to voters?
Or another reason?Dems are talking about it. His own campaign is clearly limiting his unscripted moments
Rasmussen polls are dodgy as fuck but 20% of Dem voters said they think he has dementia. If the real number is half that, it’s still pretty bad
Maybe he is fine. The perception is what matters
Who do they replace him with? The reason they've largely ignored the primary results and gone with him is due to the (probably misguided) belief that he has the best chance against Trump.
I don’t think it matters who the Dems put up against Trump this time. Barring skullduggery at the ballot Trump is gone.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@junior said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
Dem convention is 20th of August
I still suspect he won’t be the nominee. If I’m correct that will be stage managed. A Biden press conference with his wife, she talked him out of running for health reasons etc etc.. That would happen a week or so before the convention for maximum impact
Do you suspect he won't be the nominees because you think the Dems themselves believe is indeed in a state of serious decline and it will be too obvious to voters?
Or another reason?Dems are talking about it. His own campaign is clearly limiting his unscripted moments
Rasmussen polls are dodgy as fuck but 20% of Dem voters said they think he has dementia. If the real number is half that, it’s still pretty bad
Maybe he is fine. The perception is what matters
Who do they replace him with? The reason they've largely ignored the primary results and gone with him is due to the (probably misguided) belief that he has the best chance against Trump.
I don’t think it matters who the Dems put up against Trump this time. Barring skullduggery at the ballot Trump is gone.
2016 called and wants it's Hillary can't lose slogan back.
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@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@junior said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
Dem convention is 20th of August
I still suspect he won’t be the nominee. If I’m correct that will be stage managed. A Biden press conference with his wife, she talked him out of running for health reasons etc etc.. That would happen a week or so before the convention for maximum impact
Do you suspect he won't be the nominees because you think the Dems themselves believe is indeed in a state of serious decline and it will be too obvious to voters?
Or another reason?Dems are talking about it. His own campaign is clearly limiting his unscripted moments
Rasmussen polls are dodgy as fuck but 20% of Dem voters said they think he has dementia. If the real number is half that, it’s still pretty bad
Maybe he is fine. The perception is what matters
Who do they replace him with? The reason they've largely ignored the primary results and gone with him is due to the (probably misguided) belief that he has the best chance against Trump.
I don’t think it matters who the Dems put up against Trump this time. Barring skullduggery at the ballot Trump is gone.
2016 called and wants it's Hillary can't lose slogan back.
But in 2016 it was an option to see what Trump could do. This time people are aware of what he can (or can’t) do.
Working hard to remove medical cover from voters without a replacement idea while in the middle of a pandemic is a pretty dumb move.
Even when lined up with a soft question of “what will be your focus next term” he was unable to point out anything. He is expecting votes for a concept and/or to keep ‘the other side’ out.
He IS Hillary this time.
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