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@JC said in NZ Politics:
@canefan As shifty as that was, consciously breaching the privacy of individual, named members of the public is not something we can base our whataboutery on.
Don't get me wrong, this is a massive mistake. But let's not kid ourselves that Cindy's most excellent transparent government is much different
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
@canefan As shifty as that was, consciously breaching the privacy of individual, named members of the public is not something we can base our whataboutery on.
Don't get me wrong, this is a massive mistake. But let's not kid ourselves that Cindy's most excellent transparent government is much different
That's the most disappointing thing, the consistency of incompentance across all parties. I could only point out a handful of any of them that I respect.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
@canefan As shifty as that was, consciously breaching the privacy of individual, named members of the public is not something we can base our whataboutery on.
Don't get me wrong, this is a massive mistake. But let's not kid ourselves that Cindy's most excellent transparent government is much different
That's the most disappointing thing, the consistency of incompentance across all parties. I could only point out a handful of any of them that I respect.
We are being run by idiots right now. And I'm not so sure the idiots in blue are any more capable. Winston is looking about as reasonable as he has been for a long time, which is a sad indictment
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
@canefan As shifty as that was, consciously breaching the privacy of individual, named members of the public is not something we can base our whataboutery on.
Don't get me wrong, this is a massive mistake. But let's not kid ourselves that Cindy's most excellent transparent government is much different
That's the most disappointing thing, the consistency of incompentance across all parties. I could only point out a handful of any of them that I respect.
We are being run by idiots right now. And I'm not so sure the idiots in blue are any more capable. Winston is looking about as reasonable as he has been for a long time, which is a sad indictment
Yep, when Winston is the least extreme and the moderating voice we are in deep shit. Good thing we aren't borrowing 150B and mortagaing out country's future....
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@canefan did that actually identify individuals? or was it a summary of the ethnicity data only? if the latter its still shitty but no where as bad as this latest (double) leak imo.
Well that was fairly racist as well, as apparently having a chinese surname means you can't be a kiwi.
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@canefan did that actually identify individuals? or was it a summary of the ethnicity data only? if the latter its still shitty but no where as bad as this latest (double) leak imo.
I don't think they did. However its hardly proper conduct for a woke party these days. Or is it okay because they were looking at asians?
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@canefan did that actually identify individuals? or was it a summary of the ethnicity data only?
by the sound of it, yep, individuals, locations and so on. If you weren't an idiot, you could have even provided the ethnicity data and a screenshot WITHOUT identifying information to say 'look what is being stored - super not secure'. After all, if patient info is the holy grail and not allowed to be shared, it shouldn't be in a goddamn spreadsheet (wihtout protection) in the first place
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@canefan are you asking me? I saw that as a shitty thing to do and said so.
But having your full info out there as opposed to 'just' your ethnicity is worse imo - you are ripe to get doxed and god knows how many media outlets have tried to make contact.
@nzzp just checking you are referring to the latest leak? not the earlier sharing of house purchase data? Any instance of data being shared where people are identifiable is an absolute no no. Whether as a leak or a hamfisted attempt to sway opinion - also noting @Kirwan's point of focusing on Asian sounding names as some kind of indicator about your nationality
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@Paekakboyz as you were, was talking about the most recent piece. not the Labour 'sounding Asian' piece.
Data's a real problem eh.
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
The people I'm feeling most sorry for right now are the poor bastards who live in Clutha-Southland. They went from Bill English to Todd 'I'm not recording' Barclay, and now Hamish 'take a long' Walker.
FFS.
What does it say about Southland?
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@canefan are you asking me? I saw that as a shitty thing to do and said so.
Wasn't trying to single you out mate, just asking a question out loud
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Excellent point for those of us who already support National, but not much use for helping National maintain its positioning as a government in waiting (we're competent; we're trustworthy; we're ready to deal with a pandemic and all that involves).
I'm interested how Muller will attempt to show that he is acting decisively without appearing like he is trying to squash something he should have jumped on right away.
NB: I haven't had the chance to read the paper yet today.
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@gt12 IMHO he can only explain his hesitation as doing due diligence before acting
That should play well with Nat supporters (I buy it) but I wonder about undecideds, as this will be (I assume) painted as a test of his leadership character.
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@gt12 said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@gt12 IMHO he can only explain his hesitation as doing due diligence before acting
That should play well with Nat supporters (I buy it) but I wonder about undecideds, as this will be (I assume) painted as a test of his leadership character.
I think it's all he can do. Stick to that story, even compare his action to Cindy's inaction over her old flatmate and the broadcasting cock up, and Clark. Commit to it and don't waver
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Muller would do well to take some lessons so he doesn't come across as inarticulate in his interviews. I heard him again this morning and for about the fourth time every third word was ummm.
At best he sounds indecisive. Or shifty. Or both.
If I was him the line would be; First I had to check the facts, then I had to speak to others within the party - after all it's not a dictatorship. Then speak to Walker and give him a chance to do the right thing. At the end of the day this unconscionable act was a one-off by a rogue element and 36 hours after I learned of the facts he is effectively gone burger. It doesn't reflect who I am, what I stand for and believe in nor does it reflect National Party Policy or Philosophy. What we do stand for is ensuring New Zealanders are safe both healthwise and in their ability to have a rewarding job that gives their life purpose and security to their whanau.
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