Coronavirus - Australia
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I say just let it run and warn everyone we'll get clamped down upon if they can't control their stupidity.
The thing is, we're coming up 4 months in to this. It's completely unrealistic to expect people, especially young people, to live like that all of the time.
I'm in my 40s and i went to a restaurant and a bar pretty much the day they opened.
You can't control everything, but I'm more thinking about people who are symptomatic - can't help those who are showing nothing
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I say just let it run and warn everyone we'll get clamped down upon if they can't control their stupidity.
The thing is, we're coming up 4 months in to this. It's completely unrealistic to expect people, especially young people, to live like that all of the time.
I'm in my 40s and i went to a restaurant and a bar pretty much the day they opened.
You can't control everything, but I'm more thinking about people who are symptomatic - can't help those who are showing nothing
every rule ever created by mankind has had people assume, or act like, it doesn't apply to them. This will be no different.
Also, some people are just fluffybunnies
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Also, some people are just fluffybunnies
correct, just look over the Ta$man at the 4 fluffybunnies we had in isolation
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The Sydney situation just highlights how hard this thing is to control.
What seems to have happened is someone had been to Melbourne in late June/early July where, unbeknown to them, they picked up the virus.
They come back and head for dinner at the Crossroads Hotel where, again unbeknown to them, they pass the virus on to a handful of others. There's not really any indication the person or the hotel did anything wrong either.
Unfortunately for everyone the Crossroads Hotel is one of those highway pubs which is popular with truckies, interstate travellers, and generally people passing through the area onto other places. So now this thing has spread to the four winds without anyone knowing.
And so now we're waiting nervously for a week to see if anyone tests positive anywhere, and if this cluster has created another cluster somewhere else. As it stands there has been no community transmission, so that's a good thing. Every case can be clearly linked back to the Casula pub that one night.
There's a real reluctance in NSW Cabinet to go back to lockdown given our hospital capacity. I can't help thinking we've got enough data to know the risk areas now - indoor areas like pubs, gyms, restaurants, shops. We can put in harsher rules around those areas while not controlling people's movements to the extent they have done in Victoria.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The Sydney situation just highlights how hard this thing is to control.
What seems to have happened is someone had been to Melbourne in late June/early July where, unbeknown to them, they picked up the virus.
They come back and head for dinner at the Crossroads Hotel where, again unbeknown to them, they pass the virus on to a handful of others. There's not really any indication the person or the hotel did anything wrong either.
Unfortunately for everyone the Crossroads Hotel is one of those highway pubs which is popular with truckies, interstate travellers, and generally people passing through the area onto other places. So now this thing has spread to the four winds without anyone knowing.
And so now we're waiting nervously for a week to see if anyone tests positive anywhere, and if this cluster has created another cluster somewhere else. As it stands there has been no community transmission, so that's a good thing. Every case can be clearly linked back to the Casula pub that one night.
There's a real reluctance in NSW Cabinet to go back to lockdown given our hospital capacity. I can't help thinking we've got enough data to know the risk areas now - indoor areas like pubs, gyms, restaurants, shops. We can put in harsher rules around those areas while not controlling people's movements to the extent they have done in Victoria.
The problem is too many people don't give a shit about the rules/laws even if the govt do decide to apply them properly. For every pub that is doing things well there's a restaurant not giving a shit and just cramming people in.
Hopefully, the Crossroads etc, and other outbreaks have been caught early enough to not have community spread.
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The Sydney situation just highlights how hard this thing is to control.
What seems to have happened is someone had been to Melbourne in late June/early July where, unbeknown to them, they picked up the virus.
They come back and head for dinner at the Crossroads Hotel where, again unbeknown to them, they pass the virus on to a handful of others. There's not really any indication the person or the hotel did anything wrong either.
Unfortunately for everyone the Crossroads Hotel is one of those highway pubs which is popular with truckies, interstate travellers, and generally people passing through the area onto other places. So now this thing has spread to the four winds without anyone knowing.
And so now we're waiting nervously for a week to see if anyone tests positive anywhere, and if this cluster has created another cluster somewhere else. As it stands there has been no community transmission, so that's a good thing. Every case can be clearly linked back to the Casula pub that one night.
There's a real reluctance in NSW Cabinet to go back to lockdown given our hospital capacity. I can't help thinking we've got enough data to know the risk areas now - indoor areas like pubs, gyms, restaurants, shops. We can put in harsher rules around those areas while not controlling people's movements to the extent they have done in Victoria.
The problem is too many people don't give a shit about the rules/laws even if the govt do decide to apply them properly. For every pub that is doing things well there's a restaurant not giving a shit and just cramming people in.
Hopefully, the Crossroads etc, and other outbreaks have been caught early enough to not have community spread.
That's the kind of attitude that will see them into lockdown again
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@ACT-Crusader said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
For all the breathless carry on there are 18 serious cases
But..but, our intensive care units are going to be swamped...
And we accepted the lockdown so it could provide healthcare the time to ramp up resources and prevent it being overwhelmed.
we all know that narrative changed some time in May.
Given a massive number of the new identified cases are apparently asymptomatic, would a similar ramp up in testing elsewhere in Australia give similar results?
It’s the thing that I reckon some State Premiers are fearing, watching the Victoria situation.
On one hand they have “contained”, but the level of testing in Victoria is extremely high. Almost 30,000 tests in one day, next day peak of 280+ cases.
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I found this quote from Conor McKenna, the Essendon player that sparked the cancelled game 3 weeks back, to be pretty interesting
“On the Friday it’s called a false positive … so I had to get retested on the Saturday and that came up positive,” McKenna said on the Teamtalkmag Tyrone Facebook page.
“And then I got retested on the Tuesday and I got negative.
“So to be honest I still don’t really know what happened, and then I tested negative probably three times in a row in that week and got bloods done.
“That showed that maybe I had it six weeks ago maybe when I was in Ireland after a flight, so there’s really still no clarity."
This virus is so bad, you need to get tested to know you have it, and even then, you might not have it, or you might have had it before and not now.
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Best we all panic based on inaccurate testing.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Best we all panic
based on inaccurate testing.There you go.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Bones are you trying to cancel culture something? That's it - you're going on the list. My white privilege is being threatened!!!!