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@Crucial said in US Politics:
One of the reasons that I find it strange that @winger was concerned about Democrat mail in fraud is that mail in voting has been forced on some under the guise of coronavirus distancing with polling place numbers slashed in some southern states. eg Louisville, Kentucky now has one polling booth for 750k voters.
If some states can't run a proper election (using the virus as an excuse) based on in person voting. Then say the military should step in and take over. Trump and the Republicans should insist on this. If need be the election should be postponed until the structure is set up for a fair and verifiable election. Where only qualified voters vote.
The loony (Marxist) left will use any excuse to rig an election and Trump and team must be very firm (using firm steps if necessary) to ensure they don't get away with it. As the left would do if the situation was reversed.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
One of the reasons that I find it strange that @winger was concerned about Democrat mail in fraud is that mail in voting has been forced on some under the guise of coronavirus distancing with polling place numbers slashed in some southern states. eg Louisville, Kentucky now has one polling booth for 750k voters.
If some states can't run a proper election (using the virus as an excuse) based on in person voting. Then say the military should step in and take over. Trump and the Republicans should insist on this. If need be the election should be postponed until the structure is set up for a fair and verifiable election.
The loony (Marxist) left will use any excuse to rig an election and Trump and team must b very firm to ensure they don't get away with it. As the left would do if the situation was reversed.
Clearly you don't remember what happened in Florida when Jeb gerrymandered the election in favour of his brother..... you come up with some funny stuff when talking about the side you don't back
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
One of the reasons that I find it strange that @winger was concerned about Democrat mail in fraud is that mail in voting has been forced on some under the guise of coronavirus distancing with polling place numbers slashed in some southern states. eg Louisville, Kentucky now has one polling booth for 750k voters.
If some states can't run a proper election (using the virus as an excuse) based on in person voting. Then say the military should step in and take over. Trump and the Republicans should insist on this. If need be the election should be postponed until the structure is set up for a fair and verifiable election.
The loony (Marxist) left will use any excuse to rig an election and Trump and team must b very firm to ensure they don't get away with it. As the left would do if the situation was reversed.
Clearly you don't remember what happened in Florida when Jeb gerrymandered the election in favour of his brother..... you come up with some funny stuff when talking about the side you don't back
So you accept that elections can be rigged. All I want (and Trump seems to want as well) is a fair and honest election. Where only qualified voters vote. And a voting system to ensure this happens. If in this situation Trump loses (although this is very unlikely) then so be it
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
One of the reasons that I find it strange that @winger was concerned about Democrat mail in fraud is that mail in voting has been forced on some under the guise of coronavirus distancing with polling place numbers slashed in some southern states. eg Louisville, Kentucky now has one polling booth for 750k voters.
If some states can't run a proper election (using the virus as an excuse) based on in person voting. Then say the military should step in and take over. Trump and the Republicans should insist on this. If need be the election should be postponed until the structure is set up for a fair and verifiable election. Where only qualified voters vote.
The loony (Marxist) left will use any excuse to rig an election and Trump and team must be very firm (using firm steps if necessary) to ensure they don't get away with it. As the left would do if the situation was reversed.
No, the military should never “take over”, ever, it is illegal. No, the election shouldn’t be postponed, because that is illegal. No, Trump shouldn’t be very firm, whatever that means. He should stay out of the electoral process except in his capacity as a private citizen who is a candidate.
Surely you must know that the President plays no role at all in the running of elections, as is the case in every proper democracy in the world, and for very good reason.
The irony of you claiming the Democrats are shady in the same paragraph where you propose a Bainimarama-style junta.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
I’m cracking up at @Winger s posts about what Trump should do to ensure fairness when the problem is that GOP states are reducing the amount of places to vote in areas where Dem voting is strong.
It's like Florida 2000 never happened
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
I’m cracking up at @Winger s posts about what Trump should do to ensure fairness when the problem is that GOP states are reducing the amount of places to vote in areas where Dem voting is strong.
The left want to rig this election. How do I know. They always accuse others of doing what they plan to do (or have done or are doing). One example
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
I’m cracking up at @Winger s posts about what Trump should do to ensure fairness when the problem is that GOP states are reducing the amount of places to vote in areas where Dem voting is strong.
The left want to rig this election. How do I know. They always accuse others of doing what they plan to do (or have done or are doing). One example
Brilliant logic
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
I’m cracking up at @Winger s posts about what Trump should do to ensure fairness when the problem is that GOP states are reducing the amount of places to vote in areas where Dem voting is strong.
The left want to rig this election. How do I know. They always accuse others of doing what they plan to do (or have done or are doing). One example
Brilliant logic
I’d say baffling.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
I’m cracking up at @Winger s posts about what Trump should do to ensure fairness when the problem is that GOP states are reducing the amount of places to vote in areas where Dem voting is strong.
The left want to rig this election. How do I know. They always accuse others of doing what they plan to do (or have done or are doing). One example
Brilliant logic
I’d say baffling.
I was being facetious
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
I’m cracking up at @Winger s posts about what Trump should do to ensure fairness when the problem is that GOP states are reducing the amount of places to vote in areas where Dem voting is strong.
The left want to rig this election. How do I know. They always accuse others of doing what they plan to do (or have done or are doing). One example
Brilliant logic
I’d say baffling.
I was being facetious
Nuance isn’t a strong suit in this game
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
I’m cracking up at @Winger s posts about what Trump should do to ensure fairness when the problem is that GOP states are reducing the amount of places to vote in areas where Dem voting is strong.
The left want to rig this election. How do I know. They always accuse others of doing what they plan to do (or have done or are doing). One example
Brilliant logic
I’d say baffling.
I was being facetious
Nuance isn’t a strong suit in this game
Or reason
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
I’m cracking up at @Winger s posts about what Trump should do to ensure fairness when the problem is that GOP states are reducing the amount of places to vote in areas where Dem voting is strong.
The left want to rig this election. How do I know. They always accuse others of doing what they plan to do (or have done or are doing). One example
Brilliant logic
I’d say baffling.
I was being facetious
Nuance isn’t a strong suit in this game
Or reason
Or sanity
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Trumps claim is that there's a difference between absentee voting and vote-by-mail. I haven't studied this in any depth so will withdraw. And will only come back if have time to.
Experts often distinguish between “absentee voting” and “vote-by-mail,” and even though the voting methods are similar, the terminology can be different. In “absentee” systems, voters must pro-actively request a ballot, and sometimes need an excuse. “Voting by mail” refers to states with universal mail voting, where each registered voter is automatically sent a ballot for each election.
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The US system is poor in a lot of places, but is also stuck that way due to the Constitution and decisions from the Supreme Court upholding (or not, depending on the element) various laws on the subject.
For example, heavy duty ID requirements will probably never be permitted for voting because of a long history of using that to suppress the votes of Black voters and an equally long history of Supreme Court decisions overturning those laws because of that which means the precedent is now entrenched.
A common issue with voting is the official in charge of elections in most states is an elected position similar to the Governor, so they have a vested interest in the outcome and usually slant voting resources (as in polling booths/stations) in their party's favour. Examples abound of Democrat-supporting areas getting one or two polling stations with short time windows, and Republican-supporting areas getting multiple polling stations with much longer time windows.
Gerrymandering is also still alive and well in a number of states. If it's too egregious, it will be struck down as discriminatory (since a lot of Republican gerrymandering targetting Democrat areas also has the effect of disenfranchising Blacks), but mostly it's not quite that bad. The district boundaries are redrawn after the census (same as here), but since it is up to each State to decide how to do it, it is often a partisan process rather than an independent body as NZ does it (although some states use something similar to our model). The US census is every 10 years, not 5, so the elections to win are the decade elections - the Republicans specifically ran campaigns in 2010 with the plan being to win state legislatures and then gerrymander the districts. However, as the Senators and Governors are elected at large, the voter suppression is required to get control Senates and Governorships.
I'm never big on mail voting, but it's better than electronic voting - that's just a recipe for problems.
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Godder enlightening post as usual. So basically they are fucked because all of these important decisions are made into political ones?
Basically, yes. They also directly elect judges, district attorneys and sheriffs in a lot of places, none of which strike me as a good plan.
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And the voting turnouts are pretty horrible too I think.
It’s a fucking absurd country and has no right to be called the leader of the free world.
They have and hold hegemonic power, and if they didn’t we’d fucking laugh at them. Right now we hold our noses and act nice.
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