Coronavirus - Australia
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Hooroo well, actually the government asked its citizens to return to Oz. And even if it hadn't, as citizens, we always have the right to return.
Every day we trust people to do the right thing. Drinking and not driving for example. Or released criminals to not reoffend. Why can't we trust someone to self isolate? And just punish the fuck out of anyone who ignores the rules?
And even if we insist on locking people in hotels in Oz, with the vastly reduced number of people they are allowing back in, at a significant cost to the returnee I would add, how can we not find a way to allow them some fresh air??? Even the incarcerated get some yard time every day!
seriously? after seeing whats happened in vic where pretty much the entire second wave is coming down the one security guard? we couldn't trust someone we were paying to do the right thing and could go home at night..you thin we can trust everyone?
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@Kiwiwomble you could just as easily argue that this shows the futility of trying to lock people up. Nz is the same with all these people escaping their hotels, if people want to flout the rules then they'll find a way - which is why I'd advocate huge penalties.
Look, I'm not totally averse to hotel quarantine. But I do think fresh air is a pretty basic human right.
As I said, I'd be far more comfortable wearing a tracking bracelet in my house than being stuck inside a room for 2 weeks.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble you could just as easily argue that this shows the futility of trying to lock people up. Nz is the same with all these people escaping their hotels, if people want to flout the rules then they'll find a way - which is why I'd advocate huge penalties.
Look, I'm not totally averse to hotel quarantine. But I do think fresh air is a pretty basic human right.
As I said, I'd be far more comfortable wearing a tracking bracelet in my house than being stuck inside a room for 2 weeks.
you do realise a fine after the fact wont uninfect people right? everyones making sacrifices to some degree for the greater good, fresh air comes just below not catching an avoidable deadly virus on the list of basic human rights
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble you could just as easily argue that this shows the futility of trying to lock people up. Nz is the same with all these people escaping their hotels, if people want to flout the rules then they'll find a way - which is why I'd advocate huge penalties.
Look, I'm not totally averse to hotel quarantine. But I do think fresh air is a pretty basic human right.
As I said, I'd be far more comfortable wearing a tracking bracelet in my house than being stuck inside a room for 2 weeks.
you do realise a fine after the fact wont uninfect people right? everyones making sacrifices to some degree for the greater good, fresh air comes just below not catching an avoidable deadly virus on the list of basic human rights
That's just silly mate. If you're trying to argue that a deterrant (eg the threat of a huge fine or incarceration) doesn't have any impact on behaviour, then I'm wasting my time with you. Your sarcasm is not helpful.
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im not saying its not a deterrent, but its a bit of an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff, the whole idea is to isolate before anyone gets the chance to interact with people, you seem to be missing the whole point
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@Kiwiwomble I'm not missing the point at all. I'm not arguing that quarantine isn't necessary, I'm saying the way Australia is doing it is not the right way. Even NZ, the poster child for elimination, allows its arrivals to suck some fresh air and exercise. There is zero need for arrivals to Sydney to be put up in the CBD. They should be put on a bus and taken out of town, somewhere where they can walk and exercise away from the public. Plenty of space in the Hunter, the BM's etc.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Every day we trust people to do the right thing. Drinking and not driving for example. Or released criminals to not reoffend.
But they do, unfortunately, and people are seriously hurt, or die.
Why can't we trust someone to self isolate? And just punish the fuck out of anyone who ignores the rules?
Because - as we've seen with re-emergence of upward trend, people as a whole can't be trusted. Security guards getting it on with infectious returnees (in isolation) in Melbourne. Kids throwing parties in an AirBnB a suburb over from me.
The frustration is obvious, and I would not want to be in that situation for quids. But unfortunately we've got people who don't understand that even pushing the boundaries is potentially hazardous.
I'm looking at our club's rugby games right now and thinking they're a massive risk. Similarly, I'm looking at the lack of consistency in my household and wondering why this message isn't pretty clear for some people.
e.g. pissing rain in Sydney, asked the wife if she wanted to go out for a coffee to break up the boredom. "Well, should we? I mean, given the situation"
OK then.
Next Sunday we're booked to catch up with some of her family over the other side of Sydney at a venue. Problem is a maximum booking of 10 and about 20 people showing up. "Not an issue", said the venue, "we'll just break you up into 2 groups with different bookings".
And that's apparently fine.
Hi-rise hotels with no fresh air are fucked. I always seem to get sick from the shitty HVAC settings they yse.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Security guards getting it on with infectious returnees (in isolation) in Melbourne
i hope @voodoo made sure Mrs Voodoo only packed tracky daks and sweatshirts. If she wears anything too sexy...
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Did anyone see that footage of the Karen at Bunnings in Melbourne? Fuck that was some funny shit.
These "Sovereign Citizen" types who go around quoting bits of legislation they don't understand are the gift that keeps on giving, particularly as they keep filming themselves fucking up.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Did anyone see that footage of the Karen at Bunnings in Melbourne? Fuck that was some funny shit.
These "Sovereign Citizen" types who go around quoting bits of legislation they don't understand are the gift that keeps on giving, particularly as they keep filming themselves fucking up.
yeah, got me mad, i havent been too stressed about the actual COVID...but these "i know my rights" people are really starting to get to me
i cant stand the fact these people are happy to enjoy all the benefits of living in a society...but complains about the rules of the society, i want bunnings to be open so i can buy stuff from you...but dont want to concede anything for your well being, you dont want to work towards a common good F off and live somewhere else.
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reports 532 cases in Vic...
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Well it would appear the Australian Police and security forces are taking quarantine pretty seriously. My wife arrived last night, got shipped straight to a CBD hotel. Her room has a window that doesn't open, and she is not allowed to leave for 14 days. Not even to exercise.
She asked if she could have a room with a working window or balcony with no success.
Her application to be allowed to self isolate at home hasn't even been responded to, despite her coming from NZ and having an empty apartment at her disposal.
A call to the Helpline advised her that nobody ever gets moved once they're in a hotel room, so that seems to be. The only other advice they gave was to "maybe lobby your local politician"
I can't even imagine what 14 days with no fresh air would be like. It's less humane than HK putting ankle bracelets on returning citizens.
I know pretty much exactly what you guys will go through. It sucks. The fresh air thing is patently cruel. You'll gnash and vent over these conditions and at the end of all conversations you'll be left with the fact that your wife is completely covid and fresh air free for the duration. Then you'll see protests and flagrant breaches of "expert" recommendations on the tele further exposing this ridiculous regime to block an airborne virus which is not particularly lethal. Oh you'll also get mountains of dross opinions and advice from people who have zero knowledge of what 14 days hotel quarantine is like.
Important for you to be cheerful everytime you guys speak and let Mrs voodoo vent - it's the only ventilation she'll get 😃. She can try "acting up" to the health nurse because the authorities are more afraid than mental illness than respiratory illness. My wife had 3, 5 minute trips to the carpark during her fortnight.Good luck mate, your wife obviously has a high level of tolerance for living in shitty circumstances....😂
Ps. Please pay attention to how many times you reflexively ask " what are you up to" or what's the plan for tonight" in your chats. 😉
Good luck bro - good things happen after the 14 days
Oh, and like prison, the last 3 days are the longest!
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lets also not overlook the fact that she's been waiting for something long and hard for years
okay enough jokes for now
i forgot the plan, what is she doing after iso?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
yeah, got me mad, i havent been too stressed about the actual COVID...but these "i know my rights" people are really starting to get to me
No surprise she's a QAnon disciple.
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@Kiwiwomble "not trained'. Trying to pass on responsibility for being the stupidest dude alive they mean. If you need training to not screw someone in quarantine possibly carrying or sick with an infectious and potentially deadly virus...farrrrrk.
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@Mokey said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble "not trained'. Trying to pass on responsibility for being the stupidest dude alive they mean. If you need training to not screw someone in quarantine possibly carrying or sick with an infectious and potentially deadly virus...farrrrrk.
in his defense, she might have been really hot