Coronavirus - Australia
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Nepia we're not though, all take away still avaliable for example, i thought that might have stopped before a curfew
I think I just assumed that had stopped too.
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@Kiwiwomble so it's all work, not just essential jobs then?
Fuck, what about the poor cabbies through all of this.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo i was talking about this with the wife, he said one of the only reasons to be out after curfew was for work....and pizza delivery is a job
Does he know you call him the wife?
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@raznomore said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Do people who have an issue with the curfew, actually really have an issue with a curfew. Are you needing to out and about on cold VIC nights or just wanting to be should the want arise? Or is it a principles thing?
It's a principles thing for me. I don't want to sound too extreme, but if Government is going to impose such a harsh restriction I want to see the evidence that it's going to bloody well help out.
A curfew likely wouldn't affect me in the slightest, but I'd like to know I could duck to the shops and pick up a packet of Tim Tams for dessert, or go for a late run if I haven't had a chance to exercise that day.
I'm not particularly against the NZ solution, but you guys didn't have a curfew, did you?
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@barbarian nope.
We were just told to stay home unless you were an essential worker, which was fine for me as I could work form home, not so for people who couldnt and werent essential services.
Only leave home for essentials (food) and exercise (which was where the grey area came in of how far is too far)
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo this is the thing, its has never been Essential workers only like NZ, its only even been work form home unless you cant, i've still had field teams out on site throughout
Seems a mixed bag now
"Victoria confirms retail and other industry shutdowns as part of further COVID-19 restrictions" https://twitter.com/i/events/1290067520112619523?s=09
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yeah, watching now and am quite confused, emails going back and forth between works mate on what we can and cant do, this is why i would have preferred a more simple all encompassing approach for a shorter time
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@raznomore said in Coronavirus - Australia:
This denying civil liberties thing is a slippery slope, I'll admit. But it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If there is no coloration between night time activities and increased virus cases then it's totalitarian governing. If a curfew somehow slows the rate of infection the public will ask why this was not something that ws implemented sooner.
Do people who have an issue with the curfew, actually really have an issue with a curfew. Are you needing to out and about on cold VIC nights or just wanting to be should the want arise? Or is it a principles thing?
I have an issue with any decision impacting on freedom in a Western liberal democracy that isn't evidence based, grandfathered, sunset applied and a compelling argument made in support of the decisions.
I'm working on a project of some national importance and yet our ability to do an element of work is now impacted because there's a curfew from 8pm that we're busy trying to get clarity on by people who can't come to a clear decision (or are too scared to).
At this point so long as it's not extermination or abject subjugation shouldn't we just see where this goes?
No certainly not.
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@antipodean Andrews did say there was an exception to the curfew for work
"A curfew on people leaving their homes will apply from 8:00pm to 5:00am each night, with exceptions for work or medical care and caregiving."
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The same Andrews that assured everyone Victoria was managing it all fine? That playing golf was part of the problem?
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@antipodean come on, theres a difference between the subjective opinion of how it being handled
and the definitive list of rules and exemptions
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean come on, theres a difference between the subjective opinion of how it being handled
and the definitive list of rules and exemptions
Such as the thousand dollar fine for going for a drive with your daughter to practise her driving skills?
Perhaps it escapes you, but how one moron interprets what a politician says and another can have an enormous impact. These statements have the force of law and aren't even debated - they come under the purview of legislation giving an unelected official the ability to make wide ranging determinations.
Will there be a list of essential workers?
The Victorian Premier says more announcements will be made this week about a permit system for the purposes of enforcement. "We don't want to be putting people into that really challenging situation where they have to explain themselves even they don't really need to. "That's going to be a simple, common-sense process, and we'll have more to say about that soon. "As it is now, the curfew obviously does apply — 8:00pm to 5:00am every day. In giving care, getting care or going to and from work, or being at work — they're the only reasons to be out. "Police will be stopping you. They will be asking those questions. They'll do it respectfully. And they'll be very fair in these early days in that they'll probably err on the side of — you know, it is early. "But the time will come when that gets turned off. And anyone who stops and doesn't have a lawful reason will get fined."
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@antipodean im not sure what you're actually trying to say
my work is running with the rules as described, you want to read more into it that's up to you, i was just trying to point something out you may have missed
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That it's not clear and my workers have to travel more than 5km to do their work. They don't have an office when I'm sending them to sites.