Coronavirus - Overall
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Maybe Trump was right about hydroxychloroquine. And Fauci and co wrong
But this is the great thing about the information age. People can be exposed to both sides. Sadly many still refuse to embrace the challenge of researching a topic and then thinking for themselves. But more and more are.
The latest international testing of hydroxychloroquine treatment of coronavirus shows countries that had early use of the drug had a 79% lower mortality rate than countries that banned the use of the safe malaria drug. This means that Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, the CDC, the liberal fake news media and the tech giants have been pushing a lie that has had deadly consequences!
Can you please explain why anyone would want to bury an effective treatment for a deadly disease?
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@booboo Money and control booboo. Money and control. The sooner you wake up and realise this the better.
Don't be one of the sheeple. Dig deeper, the truth is hidden but its out there
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@booboo Money and control booboo. Money and control. The sooner you wake up and realise this the better.
Don't be one of the sheeple. Dig deeper, the truth is hidden but its out there
You know that. I know that. @booboo needs to educate himself.
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So, this is very topical.
Recount about to happen.Academics found Public Health England's methods meant ministers count victims as anyone who died after ever testing positive for Covid-19 â even if they were hit by a bus after beating the disease months later.
It would've meant that, technically, no-one could ever recover from the virus and all 265,000 of England's confirmed patients would eventually have had their deaths attributed to the disease.
The blunder could see up to 4,000 deaths removed from England's official toll of 41,749, according to reports. One of the leading experts who uncovered the flaw told MailOnline his 'best guess' was that more than 1,000 people have had their deaths wrongly recorded as caused by Covid-19.
Mr Hancock is set to bring the figures in line with Scotland and Northern Ireland, which only attribute deaths to Covid-19 if it occurs within a month of their diagnosis.
The Health Secretary is expected to announce the new measurement by the end of the week following the two-week review into the counting fiasco.
The statistical flaw was uncovered by Oxford University's Professor Carl Heneghan and Dr Yoon Loke, from the University of East Anglia.
Professor Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the prestigious university, told the Sun: 'It is a sensible decision. There is no point attributing deaths to Covid 28 days after infection.
So, going back to the conversation a page or so ago. I think I was misunderstanding the 'mentioned on death certificate ' statistics . That stat is more likely covering people presumed to have died of covid but no test done?
Rather than people who have died, who had covid, but covid wasn't cause of death. Which is what I presumed it covered.
Could, look it up I guess ...
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@booboo Money and control booboo. Money and control. The sooner you wake up and realise this the better.
Don't be one of the sheeple. Dig deeper, the truth is hidden but its out there
You know that. I know that. @booboo needs to educate himself.
A cure for a deadly disease that people will make money out of?
Nup. Still don't get it.
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@booboo Money and control booboo. Money and control. The sooner you wake up and realise this the better.
Don't be one of the sheeple. Dig deeper, the truth is hidden but its out there
You know that. I know that. @booboo needs to educate himself.
A cure for a deadly disease that people will make money out of?
Nup. Still don't get it.
Sharpen up
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@booboo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@booboo Money and control booboo. Money and control. The sooner you wake up and realise this the better.
Don't be one of the sheeple. Dig deeper, the truth is hidden but its out there
You know that. I know that. @booboo needs to educate himself.
A cure for a deadly disease that people will make money out of?
Nup. Still don't get it.
Sharpen up
Ummm ...
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@booboo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@booboo Money and control booboo. Money and control. The sooner you wake up and realise this the better.
Don't be one of the sheeple. Dig deeper, the truth is hidden but its out there
You know that. I know that. @booboo needs to educate himself.
A cure for a deadly disease that people will make money out of?
Nup. Still don't get it.
Sharpen up
Ummm ...
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Maybe Trump was right about hydroxychloroquine. And Fauci and co wrong
But this is the great thing about the information age. People can be exposed to both sides. Sadly many still refuse to embrace the challenge of researching a topic and then thinking for themselves. But more and more are.
The latest international testing of hydroxychloroquine treatment of coronavirus shows countries that had early use of the drug had a 79% lower mortality rate than countries that banned the use of the safe malaria drug. This means that Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, the CDC, the liberal fake news media and the tech giants have been pushing a lie that has had deadly consequences!
Can you please explain why anyone would want to bury an effective treatment for a deadly disease?
maybe money. Or incompetence. Certainly its something that needs to be looked at.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/bad_medicine_on_hcq_faucis_waterloo.html
America's death rate from COVID in fact is shockingly high, hitting 150,000 as of July 29, while other countries, which have also been hit by the pandemic, such as Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, Turkey, Morocco, Malaysia, and Costa Rica, plus European countries such as Switzerland, have got the matter well under control, with no comparable death counts. The difference is in their use of HCQ, or hydroxychloroquine. And those are mostly well developed or high-middle-income countries. What's really shocking is that third-world hellholes are doing better, too, if they can get their hands on and use HCQ. The U.S., under Fauci, has been left in the dust. Here in our country, Fauci continued to ignore the ever accumulating and remarkable early-use data on hydroxychloroquine and he became focused on a new antiviral compound named remdesivir. This was an experimental drug that had to be given intravenously every day for five days. It was never suitable for major widespread outpatient or at-home use as part of a national pandemic plan. We now know now that remdesivir has no effect on overall COVID patient mortality and it costs thousands of dollars per patient. Hydroxychloroquine, by contrast, costs 60 cents a tablet, it can be taken at home, it fits in with the national pandemic plan for respiratory viruses, and a course of therapy simply requires swallowing three tablets in the first 24 hours followed by one tablet every 12 hours for five days. There are now 53 studies that show positive results of hydroxychloroquine in COVID infections. There are 14 global studies that show neutral or negative results â and 10 of them were of patients in very late stages of COVID-19, where no antiviral drug can be expected to have much effect. Of the remaining four studies, two come from the same University of Minnesota author. The other two are from the faulty Brazil paper, which should be retracted, and the fake Lancet paper, which was.
It's probably going to be hard for President Trump to find a way to fire this guy, but the picture emerging is extremely disturbing. Fauci's suppression of hydroxychloroquine studies, his odd devotion to the new and profitable drug Remdesivir (which we have noted many NIH officials hold monetary stakes in), and Fauci's earlier papers from years back touting the importance of hydroxychloroquine on other kinds of COVID viruses paint a damning picture of what is going on, a horrible confluence of financial interests and a desire to extend the pandemic to Get Trump at a huge cost of lives.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger Money? Really? I don't know about you, but if I had a cure for covid19 and I wanted to get rich I would be selling it to all and everyone as quickly as possible
Kinda my point earlier dude :).
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
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you are fucking lucky you didn't just post "interesting" and the link
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also, i have now read that article, and strongly endorse it, because i like the slant it takes, and desperately want it to be true.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger Money? Really? I don't know about you, but if I had a cure for covid19 and I wanted to get rich I would be selling it to all and everyone as quickly as possible
this was my point earlier in the thread....im no economist...just a humble engineer....but my limited understanding is you make money form selling stuff...and easy to produce stuff is often where you make the most profit
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@mariner4life problem is, you still need the whole world to brush it off and continue trading, travelling etc for it to not have an impact on the economy.
But we know the whole world is pretty well fucked right now in so many ways that whatever way they dealt with it, they are just collateral damage to the fallout.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido On another slant re the figures generally. Over here in the UK we have a pretty horrific death scale. There are suggestions though that we are counting ALL deaths where a person has tested positive for Covid as a Covid death. ie someone walks into a testing centre and gets a positive result and then gets run over by a lorry as she goes outside bingo! That's another Covid death. Whether this is in any way true or not I can't say but it does highlight that the methodology of deciding what is or is not a Covid death would make a significant difference to the figures.
I'm pretty sure that Public Health England does have a 'once a covid positive, always a covid death' methodology.
The Govt has asked it to produce corrected figures.
Don't hold your breath!
@Rapido says not. I would like to know the sauce if only to shut up some idiot of a conspiracy theorist I know. Mind you he'll probably say it's all part of the grand plan