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@Siam said in US Politics:
There are a lot of otherwise smart people trying to decide the lesser of two evils though
Having spent most of my voting life in Australia the 2016 election was the most compelling case against compulsory voting the world had seen.
Enter 2020.
By all reports in many areas the queues are long, the process disorganized, November is frigid in the north east and in many cases your congressional district is gerrymandered. Why bother?
No sausages at the polling booth either.
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
I think the actions of Americans in cities like Minneapolis, NY, Portland, Seattle, Chicago and LA speak a lot louder than one American's voice.
Nevermind what trump is saying, rather look at what is happening. Yet more provocative quotes by trump is not what ails America right now.
He's the farken POTUS, and should be above the fray. Even Dubya, who people regarded as not the smartest tool even in the family shed, behaved with a degree of decorum and grace that Trump simply does not possess and that the nation needs right now more than ever
Would you prefer a PC (or nanny state) leader who sells the people out?
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@JC said in US Politics:
I don’t know how it is that otherwise smart people continue to accept the narrative that Trump is some kind of genius based solely on the evidence of him telling them so.
When has Trump ever said he's a genius?
His appeal is that he's down to earth (not PC) and he might serve the people (and not the greedy elite) by sticking to his election promises.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@JC said in US Politics:
I don’t know how it is that otherwise smart people continue to accept the narrative that Trump is some kind of genius based solely on the evidence of him telling them so.
When has Trump ever said he's a genius?
His appeal is that he's down to earth (not PC) and he might serve the people (and not the greedy elite) by sticking to his election promises.
See 1:05 (Full transcript here)
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@JC said in US Politics:
@booboo But a 6 year investigation carried out by whom? Why is this being filed in NY? Isn’t the NRA based in Virginia? So why isn’t it a federal agency that has filed the suit?
“Since 1871, the NRA has operated as a New York-registered 501(c)(4) not-for-profit, charitable corporation. Under state law not-for-profit, charitable corporations are required to register and file annual financial reports with the Charities Bureau in the Office of the Attorney General (OAG). The assets are required to be used in a way that serves the interests of NRA membership and that advance the organization’s charitable mission.”
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@JC said in US Politics:
I don’t know how it is that otherwise smart people continue to accept the narrative that Trump is some kind of genius based solely on the evidence of him telling them so.
When has Trump ever said he's a genius?
“I went from VERY successful businessman to top TV star to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius … and a very stable genius at that!“
His appeal is that he's down to earth (not PC) and he might serve the people (and not the greedy elite) by sticking to his election promises.
Down to earth? Don’t be ridiculous. He wouldn’t move into the White House because it was a real dump compared to his penthouse. He IS the greedy elite.
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@Siam said in US Politics:
Slagging off trump with 3 months to go does nothing to make change or address the terrible state the us is in right now.
Of course it won’t. Nothing we say will make any difference to anything. We’re a bunch of rugby fans thousands of miles away, with no votes and an audience of Polish girls.
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@JC well that's a given that many of us have known for 20 years, and extrapolated to it's logical conclusion makes a forum totally meaningless- yet here we are🙂
It'd just be nice to have the trump smearers occasionally mention the merits of the alternative and how that'll work out for America.
Most of the world wants the character that is Donald Trump out of the whitehouse, but at what cost?
Logically, the trump haters have a worthy and better replacement. Never mention it though...
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@Siam said in US Politics:
@JC well that's a given that many of us have known for 20 years, and extrapolated to it's logical conclusion makes a forum totally meaningless- yet here we are🙂
It'd just be nice to have the trump smearers occasionally mention the merits of the alternative and how that'll work out for America.
I think we have, haven’t we? Even if Biden wasn’t senile he’s a poor choice. But obliging us to have a better alternative at hand in order to call out Trump for the fuckwit he is is simply whataboutery. He is objectively an appalling person IMO, and I reserve the right to say so for no reason at all!
Most of the world wants the character that is Donald Trump out of the whitehouse, but at what cost?
Logically, the trump haters have a worthy and better replacement. Never mention it though...
No, you can still hate Trump in isolation. I’ll hate Hillary another time.
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@Siam said in US Politics:
@JC well that's a given that many of us have known for 20 years, and extrapolated to it's logical conclusion makes a forum totally meaningless- yet here we are🙂
It'd just be nice to have the trump smearers occasionally mention the merits of the alternative and how that'll work out for America.
Most of the world wants the character that is Donald Trump out of the whitehouse, but at what cost?
Logically, the trump haters have a worthy and better replacement. Never mention it though...
Pointing out the bad doesn’t mean you have the good to replace nor does it disqualify pointing out the bad in the first place.
However I would also expect that most leaders, no matter their politics or how useless, would step up for the good of all in a crisis. Trump has almost done the opposite
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Sorry lads, didn't mean to impinge upon your rights to free speech, no offence intended just wondering if we could advance the conversation as to the future of our mates in the USA.
Again, I haven't seen an upside to anyone but trump which must be very concerning to our equivalents in the land of the free.
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@JC said in US Politics:
I don’t know how it is that otherwise smart people continue to accept the narrative that Trump is some kind of genius based solely on the evidence of him telling them so
Don't think many smart people believe Trump's a genius.
But they may rightly think his opponents are equally stupid - or worse.
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
I read that this all came about from an internal battle within the organization, and one side got the authorities involved.
Timing is shit though.
But oh, so Democrat.
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Excellent point.
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Some anti Trump stuff in here that isn't needed, especially as they are basically making a populist argument (which is really what got trump elected), but the Mabo of the piece is worse considering.
During our lives, we are likely to see world power change from the USA to China - for better or (far more likely) worse.
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I spend a bit of time on Twitter and follow people from the far left to the far right.
All of the people I would consider far left SJWs/Socialists/Communists absolutely despise Biden and his policies. They don't see him as left wing at all, but more just a continuation of what has come before.
Biden's problem isn't that he's too far left, it's that he rambles, often incoherently. That doesn't seem to be a new thing though - this from 2009:
Frankly I'm astounded that he got the nod. I assume they are hoping his time with Obama will make people think he's got the experience for the job, but man he's already giving Trump and co so much ammunition. And he doesn't seem particularly apt at giving back as good as he's getting, so it's going to get pretty ugly for him.
I really have no idea who's going to win this election though. I would have said Trump at the start of the year, but his handling of Covid and the race tensions this year have been an absolute clusterfuck, to the point that I have seen a lot of pretty diehard Trump supporters wake up to his bullshit and turn against him.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
However I would also expect that most leaders, no matter their politics or how useless, would step up for the good of all in a crisis. Trump has almost done the opposite
To be fair, other leaders dealing with Coronavirus haven't had their political opponents deliberately undermining their efforts to contain the spread of the virus.
Whether it was Pelosi's opposition to restricting travel from China or Bill di Blasio telling people to ignore the warnings and carry on as normal as Covid-19 wasn't a big deal, the Democrats have contributed equally to the mess.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
However I would also expect that most leaders, no matter their politics or how useless, would step up for the good of all in a crisis. Trump has almost done the opposite
To be fair, other leaders dealing with Coronavirus haven't had their political opponents deliberately undermining their efforts to contain the spread of the virus.
Whether it was Pelosi's opposition to restricting travel from China or Bill di Blasio telling people to ignore the warnings and carry on as normal as Covid-19 wasn't a big deal, the Democrats have contributed equally to the mess.
Contributed, yes. Equally, no.
Trump has had endless opportunities to show solid leadership during this crisis and, apart from odd moments of lucidity, has gone out of his way to try and turn it into a political event.
Most countries made mistakes at the beginning while trying to grasp with how this should work. The UK dithered, NZ was weak at the border...
The China ban situation could well be argued as being classic boy who cried wolf stuff with Trump looking for any opportunity to throw around anti-china messages. Dems got that one wrong.
However the litany of spread tweets, the messages that it will go away, the failure to understand that federal actions in times like this are just what the point of federal govt is, the appointment of his unqualified son in law (with a track record of failure) to oversee a task force, the ridiculing of any Dem governor trying to take action etc etc all fall on Trump.
He is the one that should have stepped up, got everyone in a room and listened to the experts on ways to control spread and then negotiated bi-partisan actions.
It still amazes me how some are quick to forgive Trumps own actions because they can throw a little blame around elsewhere.
No matter what the opposition is, he is the still a narcissist, nepotist, pocket lining corrupt idiot and some are happy with that because he 'isn't PC'.
Baffling.
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