Coronavirus - Australia
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - Australia:
anting whole countries to act like teenagers cut loose from the apron strings without acknowledging repercussions isn’t really “good” freedom.
Is this what you would do?
If so you need to grow up. If not stop assuming everyone is irresponsible like this. (Unlike you of course ) Most are responsible when circumstances justify it. But when Govt go overboard there will be resistance
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@Winger so you are happy to ignore a major philosophy (big picture) and how it applies to the very examples you give and even dig out a link at the end of a load of waffle about how masks are worse than a virus, yet can’t bother to read and try to understand it.
Here’s a link to a simple explanation (that even has a cartoon image)
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The right to not be forced to undertake a (big pharma $ supported) medical procedure that may cause serious harm for the so called greater good.
Don't the aussies tax antivaxxers? If I had my way we would do so in NZ, they would have to register their kids as such and inform schools who would have the right to refuse them entry to said school. Schools in turn should inform the rest of their students too. Among other things. I can't stand people who turn their back on centuries of science, show blatant disregard for the welfare of the rest of us, just so they can exercise their false "choice"
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@winger you must be stoked to not be in NZ or Aus then!
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - Australia:
anting whole countries to act like teenagers cut loose from the apron strings without acknowledging repercussions isn’t really “good” freedom.
Is this what you would do?
If so you need to grow up. If not stop assuming everyone is irresponsible like this. (Unlike you of course ) Most are responsible when circumstances justify it. But when Govt go overboard there will be resistance
My assumption is made on the proof of anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Don't the aussies tax antivaxxers?
Certainly. Go so far as to restrict giving them benefits too (family tax benefit A). In some States children who aren't immunised can't attend pre-school. It's called "no jab, no play".
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Australia's cooperative federalism model made to look more ridiculous by the day:
Nearly 100 Canberrans are stranded in Victoria waiting to return to the ACT, after being prevented from crossing the border by New South Wales police.
Many were surprised to learn on Friday they would not be allowed to drive through NSW to the ACT, despite having permission from ACT Health to do so.
Under new hotel quarantine requirements in NSW, anyone entering the state from Victoria must pass through Sydney Airport.
Canberra residents are now waiting in Victoria to learn if some agreement can be made between ACT and NSW authorities to allow them to drive home.
It is understood the primary reason for NSW authorities' reluctance to allow the ACT residents to drive home is the risk travellers with the virus may pass through regional towns along the route home.
The ACT Government has offered to send ACT police officers to escort the group directly back to Canberra, but that offer has not been taken up as yet.
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reports 322 cases in vic today, lowest in a good couple of weeks, 19 deaths though which is the new high i think
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Don't the aussies tax antivaxxers?
Certainly. Go so far as to restrict giving them benefits too (family tax benefit A). In some States children who aren't immunised can't attend pre-school. It's called "no jab, no play".
And if you accept peoples rights being taken away where will it stop. Maybe where we are now. A destroyed economy and police able to smash your door down without a warrant. And soon maybe needing permission to travel outside of your allocated zone (its already happened in Victoria). It won't end. Once we accept our right being taken away (always for some great reason) it opens a door that will be hard to close
I'll repost this quote
Benjamin Franklin once famously remarked that “[t]hose who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Don't the aussies tax antivaxxers?
Certainly. Go so far as to restrict giving them benefits too (family tax benefit A). In some States children who aren't immunised can't attend pre-school. It's called "no jab, no play".
And if you accept peoples rights being taken away where will it stop.
What does that have to do with my post?
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
It is understood the primary reason for NSW authorities' reluctance to allow the ACT residents to drive home is the risk travellers with the virus may pass through regional towns along the route home.
There's nowhere worth stopping!
Although, given that Canberra is the final destination, maybe a short break in Gundagai is enticing.
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Don't the aussies tax antivaxxers?
Certainly. Go so far as to restrict giving them benefits too (family tax benefit A). In some States children who aren't immunised can't attend pre-school. It's called "no jab, no play".
And if you accept peoples rights being taken away where will it stop. Maybe where we are now. A destroyed economy and police able to smash your door down without a warrant. And soon maybe needing permission to travel outside of your allocated zone (its already happened in Victoria). It won't end. Once we accept our right being taken away (always for some great reason) it opens a door that will be hard to close
I'll repost this quote
Benjamin Franklin once famously remarked that “[t]hose who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
For at least around 20 years Police have already had the power to smash your door down without a warrant. And once inside they can detain anyone and search them and the building. They can compel you to tell them your name, and if you refuse you can be charged. They can evict you from your house and/or lock you up. They can tell you where and when you are not allowed to go places, and who you can't talk to. All this can be done without having to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. These police powers you are so concerned about aren't exactly new.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
These police powers you are so concerned about aren't exactly new.
YOU'VE BEEN COMPROMISED BY THE DEEP STATE!
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@Crazy-Horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Don't the aussies tax antivaxxers?
Certainly. Go so far as to restrict giving them benefits too (family tax benefit A). In some States children who aren't immunised can't attend pre-school. It's called "no jab, no play".
And if you accept peoples rights being taken away where will it stop. Maybe where we are now. A destroyed economy and police able to smash your door down without a warrant. And soon maybe needing permission to travel outside of your allocated zone (its already happened in Victoria). It won't end. Once we accept our right being taken away (always for some great reason) it opens a door that will be hard to close
I'll repost this quote
Benjamin Franklin once famously remarked that “[t]hose who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
For at least around 20 years Police have already had the power to smash your door down without a warrant. And once inside they can detain anyone and search them and the building. They can compel you to tell them your name, and if you refuse you can be charged. They can evict you from your house and/or lock you up. They can tell you where and when you are not allowed to go places, and who you can't talk to. All this can be done without having to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. These police powers you are so concerned about aren't exactly new.
Fuck da poh-leece
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I just read an article that suggested a chance state borders will still have restrictions at Christmas!
The actual fuck?
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I just read an article that suggested a chance state borders will still have restrictions at Christmas!
The actual fuck?
One country hey?
Where is Clive at with his court challenge? I'm hardly his biggest fan, but I'm with him on this one.