Coronavirus - Australia
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Don't the aussies tax antivaxxers?
Certainly. Go so far as to restrict giving them benefits too (family tax benefit A). In some States children who aren't immunised can't attend pre-school. It's called "no jab, no play".
And if you accept peoples rights being taken away where will it stop. Maybe where we are now. A destroyed economy and police able to smash your door down without a warrant. And soon maybe needing permission to travel outside of your allocated zone (its already happened in Victoria). It won't end. Once we accept our right being taken away (always for some great reason) it opens a door that will be hard to close
I'll repost this quote
Benjamin Franklin once famously remarked that “[t]hose who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
For at least around 20 years Police have already had the power to smash your door down without a warrant. And once inside they can detain anyone and search them and the building. They can compel you to tell them your name, and if you refuse you can be charged. They can evict you from your house and/or lock you up. They can tell you where and when you are not allowed to go places, and who you can't talk to. All this can be done without having to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. These police powers you are so concerned about aren't exactly new.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
These police powers you are so concerned about aren't exactly new.
YOU'VE BEEN COMPROMISED BY THE DEEP STATE!
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@Crazy-Horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Don't the aussies tax antivaxxers?
Certainly. Go so far as to restrict giving them benefits too (family tax benefit A). In some States children who aren't immunised can't attend pre-school. It's called "no jab, no play".
And if you accept peoples rights being taken away where will it stop. Maybe where we are now. A destroyed economy and police able to smash your door down without a warrant. And soon maybe needing permission to travel outside of your allocated zone (its already happened in Victoria). It won't end. Once we accept our right being taken away (always for some great reason) it opens a door that will be hard to close
I'll repost this quote
Benjamin Franklin once famously remarked that “[t]hose who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
For at least around 20 years Police have already had the power to smash your door down without a warrant. And once inside they can detain anyone and search them and the building. They can compel you to tell them your name, and if you refuse you can be charged. They can evict you from your house and/or lock you up. They can tell you where and when you are not allowed to go places, and who you can't talk to. All this can be done without having to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. These police powers you are so concerned about aren't exactly new.
Fuck da poh-leece
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I just read an article that suggested a chance state borders will still have restrictions at Christmas!
The actual fuck?
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I just read an article that suggested a chance state borders will still have restrictions at Christmas!
The actual fuck?
One country hey?
Where is Clive at with his court challenge? I'm hardly his biggest fan, but I'm with him on this one.
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One plus side to NOT being able to go on holiday: making a serious dent in the last car loan we took out, over the last few months. On a 5-year term we'll be done around the time we do our tax this year. * The loan opened in April last year.
Extremely lucky we're both in long-term jobs in industries that have been impacted minimally... though the wife's position in Aged Care has become significantly more tense.
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And as soon as we get rid of that loan, time to start saving for my Rivian R1T....
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33548089/rivian-r1t-electric-pickup-long-way-up-tv/
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA similar here, grateful to currently still have work, saving loads from no toll's, tram fare, lunches
And while not going out as much sucks, it is pretty cheap...
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA similar here, grateful to currently still have work, saving loads from no toll's, tram fare, lunches
I have no idea where I spend my money normally. I don't have tolls, tram fares, and take my lunch 3 days out of 4. Yet I still saved bucketloads more than normal during Covid - without counting all the various travel/concert refunds either.
The past month, with eased restrictions I appear to be back to my normal spending .
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Nepia beers at home cheaper than the pub? have to enjoy the small silver linings
reports 331 today with another 19 deaths, another comparatively smaller number of new cases which is good
I don't actually drink much ... just the odd beers at gatherings etc. It's most likely eating out I guess.
Good that the case numbers are coming down but I was reading somewhere that the death numbers probably wont see a drop off as there is a roughly 30 day life cycle after infection.
22 new cases in NSW yesterday, including 1 at a school. I'm still bemused but happy that NSW have (so far) not had a massive upswing in cases.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Nepia and a lot of the deaths are int he aged care facilities where there is obviously less chance of recovery
If I had a grandparent in an aged care facility I'd want to take them out and isolate them in a granny flat out the back (which we would need me to have a back and a granny flat ... and a living granparent).
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The Victoria situation is why the people saying 'we should imply protect the vulnerable and let everyone else live their lives' are misguided IMO.
It's so fkn hard to protect nursing homes from this, it seems. Once it's in the community it's very hard to stop. Even still there are new Victorian nursing homes picking up cases - how could that happen?
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The Victoria situation is why the people saying 'we should imply protect the vulnerable and let everyone else live their lives' are misguided IMO.
It's so fkn hard to protect nursing homes from this, it seems. Once it's in the community it's very hard to stop. Even still there are new Victorian nursing homes picking up cases - how could that happen?
We get the fittest of the oldies to manage the place, the air force can drop supplies via helicopter.
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the paradox, as i see it, one of the many issues people have with the current lockdown is the inability to visit the elderly in rest homes but "better" management of these rest homes to allow other restrictions to ease would surely mean no one in or out of them other than staff