Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
here we go...
I feel like they are drawing a really really long bow with this theory the virus came into the country via imported products. When the obvious answer is the weeks of fuck ups at isolation and quarantine facilities. The numbers of people let out without getting tested, those that broke out or broke in. Reports of security guards falling asleep on the job, and more worryingly ‘mingling’ with those in isolation. People in isolation allowed to mingle with each other etc.. that’s where it fucken came from and it could have been from a few weeks ago.
Without a effective contact tracing system that removes responsibility of the individual to uphold it, we will only be guessing
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Yay...
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I bet Eliota now thinks it is a racist virus.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@muddyriver Define vulnerable. Given there are still cases where young people without co-morbidities die. What mortality rate is acceptable?
I suspect playing God with decisions like these is a lot more difficult for politicians than making them from the comfort of a keyboard (not having a go at you BTW).
Evidence to date is that any solution that relies on everyone doing the right thing for the common good is doomed to fail.
Out walking last night almost everyone had slipped straight back into social distancing but with more masks worn but to counter that you have the selfish pricks who fled Auckland ahead of the lockdown because of; ya know the inconvenience of it all.
I hear this.
When you are deciding an acceptable mortality rate, please include a close family member(Wife/Husband or kid) as a death as one of these and still see if that mortality rate is acceptable.
IMO vulnerability is related to a greater likelihood of serious complications or death than what you would expect in the general population AND the presence of any other factors that stop such a person being able to mitigate the risks themselves. So people in rest homes, residential rehab facilities and people whose job exposes them to unreasonable likelihood of exposure.
An acceptable mortality rate is whatever we could expect to see in any periodic or seasonal viral outbreak. It's not zero. The comparatively acceptable death is me. Will that do?
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@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
here we go...
I feel like they are drawing a really really long bow with this theory the virus came into the country via imported products. When the obvious answer is the weeks of fuck ups at isolation and quarantine facilities. The numbers of people let out without getting tested, those that broke out or broke in. Reports of security guards falling asleep on the job, and more worryingly ‘mingling’ with those in isolation. People in isolation allowed to mingle with each other etc.. that’s where it fucken came from and it could have been from a few weeks ago.
Did NZ outsource its quarantine to Victorians?
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@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Those guys that managed the Ammonium Nitrate hoard in Beirut seemed more competent then those running our boarders and quarantine facilities these past few weeks.
At least they cleaned up their own cluster....
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@JC said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@muddyriver Define vulnerable. Given there are still cases where young people without co-morbidities die. What mortality rate is acceptable?
I suspect playing God with decisions like these is a lot more difficult for politicians than making them from the comfort of a keyboard (not having a go at you BTW).
Evidence to date is that any solution that relies on everyone doing the right thing for the common good is doomed to fail.
Out walking last night almost everyone had slipped straight back into social distancing but with more masks worn but to counter that you have the selfish pricks who fled Auckland ahead of the lockdown because of; ya know the inconvenience of it all.
I hear this.
When you are deciding an acceptable mortality rate, please include a close family member(Wife/Husband or kid) as a death as one of these and still see if that mortality rate is acceptable.
IMO vulnerability is related to a greater likelihood of serious complications or death than what you would expect in the general population AND the presence of any other factors that stop such a person being able to mitigate the risks themselves. So people in rest homes, residential rehab facilities and people whose job exposes them to unreasonable likelihood of exposure.
An acceptable mortality rate is whatever we could expect to see in any periodic or seasonal viral outbreak. It's not zero. The comparatively acceptable death is me. Will that do?
I'm squarely in at risk group, so have a vested interest in eliminating the virus.
Part of the caring about the community part of this argument brought up above works the other way too. I want a good future for the country and the next generation. I don't want to burn down the country just protect myself.
We have to have a plan in place that reduces the spread as much as possible but not at the cost of the standard of living of the entire country for decades to come.
I'd enforce the use of masks, have a real quarantine for people coming into the country (controlled by the army, with barbed wire, the works), actually test people not just symptomatic people, and get PPE to at risk people and not pretend they have it already.
To be honest, I'm really struggling with how this has been handled.
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@Mokey said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We've used up all our luck with the previous screw ups. No way they will contain it if they aren't smart about testing, tracing, and people STAYING THE FUCK HOME if they are unwell.
You need some NSW luck. I have no idea how we haven’t had a bigger outbreak here.
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Mokey said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We've used up all our luck with the previous screw ups. No way they will contain it if they aren't smart about testing, tracing, and people STAYING THE FUCK HOME if they are unwell.
You need some NSW luck. I have no idea how we haven’t had a bigger outbreak here.
A massive healthcare bureaucracy, widespread testing (20k-30k each day) with aggressive contact tracing and quick action when new cases are found.
And a big fat dose of luck.
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@JK said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Just shot to local liquor store and picked up 6 doz hazy IPAs and couple of doz wine.
Interestingly all the lines at the supermarket next door to it seem to have subsided
I was out yesterday morning and it was crazy on the roads and motorways in Auckland. When I left work a couple hours after the deadline it was quiet and I was able to walk straight into the local NW. Very strange