Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
lying about when they knew about this most recent outbreak
channelling Winger a bit there.
If they are lying - it will come out and it will (rightly) cost them the election as Cindy has categorically said they announced lockdown within hours of it being known, "not up to weeks as has happened elsewhere"
It did seem curious timing that after weeks of nothing they started talking about people wearing masks. I dont mind them taking a few days to assess the situation but it seems fanciful that they got word there was community spread of unknown magnitude in the early afternoon and locked us down within a few hours. If they did know something was up they should just say so
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
lying about when they knew about this most recent outbreak
channelling Winger a bit there.
If they are lying - it will come out and it will (rightly) cost them the election as Cindy has categorically said they announced lockdown within hours of it being known, "not up to weeks as has happened elsewhere"
I assume that is what National and Act have been setting up to get Cindy to categorically state that. We heard rumblings about a potential outbreak from someone in Auckland hospital on Saturday, so I believe they knew before they said they did.
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grasping at straws to think the virus can stay alive in a refrigerated/frozen state for weeks and weeks?
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@Kirwan we were in Auckland hospital end of last week getting baby check ups and they were far more stringent with their rules than they had been before. My wife, as usual, mentioned her hay fever symptoms which was never a problem before, but this time they made us both put on masks and wait in the foyer instead of the waiting room which surprised us. Made us wonder what had changed.
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maybe the Victoria outbreak was what caused them to take a more cautious approach the last couple of weeks and heighten awareness again fearing an outbreak like Victoria?
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
maybe the Victoria outbreak was what caused them to take a more cautious approach the last couple of weeks and heighten awareness again fearing an outbreak like Victoria?
Something changed in the weekend
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
maybe the Victoria outbreak was what caused them to take a more cautious approach the last couple of weeks and heighten awareness again fearing an outbreak like Victoria?
Something changed in the weekend
Yup. They haven't been talking about masks for that long
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I just struggle to think why they lie, zero chance they get away with lying.
I thought they had been talking of further outbreaks and masks for about 10 days or so??
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I just struggle to think why they lie, zero chance they get away with lying.
I thought they had been talking of further outbreaks and masks for about 10 days or so??
To give them time to frame the response for one, because at the end of the day it's their mismanagement of the quarantine that has let this back into the community.
Election coming up and if they look like they can't handle it, they are gone.
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@taniwharugby The outbreak in Victoria, and the quickly increasing numbers in other countries over the last few weeks. They said quite a while ago that they were preparing for a second wave, including developing guidelines about wearing face masks. It's not a sudden change at all. Partial lockdowns were also discussed earlier, at the time we came out of level 4 or 3.
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@Kirwan whether they wanted time to front foot it or whatever the reason, they will get found out if they knew about it before announcing it (I expect anything over 24 hours prior to letting the country know is unacceptable) which makes things ever worse for them.
Is a lose lose if they have lied.
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@Kirwan do you genuinely think that even if there is a legit fuck up revealed (or several) that people will swing back to National given their recent shambles and retirement of some of their heavier hitters (I ain't looking at you Gerry).
I am clearly more Labour leaning than Nat but think any govt would be on struggle street with this situation. I've been more concerned about the state of our health system and it's ability to respond. I know that's nothing new but those entities and systems etc are meant to be in place and ready to go no matter who is in power. At least as far as my take on things goes and setting aside the slinging about who cut or prioritized x,y,z funding over the years.
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan do you genuinely think that even if there is a legit fuck up revealed (or several) that people will swing back to National given their recent shambles and retirement of some of their heavier hitters (I ain't looking at you Gerry).
I am clearly more Labour leaning than Nat but think any govt would be on struggle street with this situation. I've been more concerned about the state of our health system and it's ability to respond. I know that's nothing new but those entities and systems etc are meant to be in place and ready to go no matter who is in power. At least as far as my take on things goes and setting aside the slinging about who cut or prioritized x,y,z funding over the years.
Its an interesting one. I'm really not sure how many would actually sway back.
I've always been a pretty staunch national supporter but hell I dont have much confidence in the current lot and really dont think we would be in any better situation. Suspect we would be in shit but a different type of shit (economy slightly better maybe but prob still battling round 1 of COVID). It's pretty tough times for all involved.
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan do you genuinely think that even if there is a legit fuck up revealed (or several) that people will swing back to National given their recent shambles and retirement of some of their heavier hitters (I ain't looking at you Gerry).
I am clearly more Labour leaning than Nat but think any govt would be on struggle street with this situation. I've been more concerned about the state of our health system and it's ability to respond. I know that's nothing new but those entities and systems etc are meant to be in place and ready to go no matter who is in power. At least as far as my take on things goes and setting aside the slinging about who cut or prioritized x,y,z funding over the years.
Yep I do. There is a core block for each party that won't, but a fuzzy percentage of lets say 10% in the middle can be affected by scandals. With NZ First teetering on the edge of oblivion, might be all it takes.
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@JK said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan do you genuinely think that even if there is a legit fuck up revealed (or several) that people will swing back to National given their recent shambles and retirement of some of their heavier hitters (I ain't looking at you Gerry).
I am clearly more Labour leaning than Nat but think any govt would be on struggle street with this situation. I've been more concerned about the state of our health system and it's ability to respond. I know that's nothing new but those entities and systems etc are meant to be in place and ready to go no matter who is in power. At least as far as my take on things goes and setting aside the slinging about who cut or prioritized x,y,z funding over the years.
Its an interesting one. I'm really not sure how many would actually sway back.
I've always been a pretty staunch national supporter but hell I dont have much confidence in the current lot and really dont think we would be in any better situation. Suspect we would be in shit but a different type of shit (economy slightly better maybe but prob still battling round 1 of COVID). It's pretty tough times for all involved.
I personally don't think it will erode many people's views much at all. This flare up has come at the worst possible time for National because it takes all attention away from less impressive areas of labour's administration
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some pretty staunch conspiracy stuff here.
Generally coincidences are proven to be caused by coincidence.
The increased talk of masks has probably got everything to do with the fact that WHO changed their position on masks, given that Bloomfield has always followed the WHO line.
Similarly talk of need to be following the rules an outbreak will happen etc a reaction to Melbourne and obvious complacency by the general public. I thought an outbreak was likely and I have no inside knowledge at all.
@JK by "we" who do you mean? Cindy obviously knew ahead of 4:00 p.m. There was a positive test ahead of then.
Anyways just to add to the paranoia I have heard from a number of authoritative sources today - CEO of top 50 company, Senior Clinician at a leading hospital, Partner at a top law firm that we are moving to Lvl 4 for four weeks. Thing is I don't think they have the good oil. I simply feel they are making the same educated guess as me. But when "people in the know" start saying these things it gives what is effectively not even a rumour credibility. Then we do go to Level 4 everyone goes a-ha. But all that's happened is the educated guess was right - which in probability it should be more often than not.
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I reckon some of you are being a bit tough. Every government around the world is learning on the job. This thing was always going to pop up again no matter what the government did. It's impossible to control, especially if there is an element of relying on people to do the right thing.