Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy by improving what was previously done - whether that is sorting weak links and/or follow the latest medical advice. But the overall intent is the same, rub it out and see how far we can take that.
For how long? I don't really want to leave the country but I'm sure that some do.
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@Paekakboyz problem is, I am not convinced they have learned much, and I honestly think even if we do get back to zero again, nothing short of shutting our borders will keep it out.
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@taniwharugby what is that based on? I don't think we've heard anywhere near the full story and details about systems improvements and all the stuff that would have changed or improved on the back of the new crew running quarantine. Lots of things got tightened up as part of that Covid oversight group - where Bridges did a pretty good job on the whole.
I agree that any form of keeping borders open has risk, and right now we are most likely dealing with something going wrong on that front. Mentioned that I agree with @Kirwan that we need a far tighter operation if we genuinely expect zero spread through returning folks. -
@Paekakboyz NZ but I won't be leaving my rural setting either if the government have anything to do with it.
Eventually people will want to travel again. So how long do we close the borders? Lock people up. It would seem that it can't be eliminated, so we do the same thing with the 3rd wave? Fourth? Fifth?
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@Snowy yeah I hear you on that front - it does feel open ended and probably will continue to do so until some kind of vaccine is available. I suspect quite a few people will be shy on travelling if shit continues to spin out overseas - and even if you are heading for a 'safe' country the whole travel side of it is scary.
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@Paekakboyz just based on the fcat we are now looking down the barrell of a 2nd lockdown.
There are so many people working in and around our borders who are not being tested, and in some cases it is probably nigh on impossible to test these regularly given the chance of regular exposure, meaning getting back to zero will be a 'yay for us again' with the inevitble positive test again in 4 weeks, 8 weeks or whenever.
There has to be a better way to manage this, it seems that our Govt has been sitting on thier hands waiting for this to happen or a vaccine is produced, given the lack of anything else about what the future might look like being discussed
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@taniwharugby agree about the risk but think it's pretty rough to say they've been sitting on their hands - in fact I'd imagine any number of folks involved in trying to get the system as watertight as possible would want to send you to Snowy's basement for that kind of call.
Surely there is a grey area where Govt and everyone involved is held to account alongside an understanding this is an unprecedented situation and no perfect approach has shown itself, or that anything close to perfect means locking us down fully. Which would in turn open up new avenues of criticism and conspiracy theories and so on.
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy yeah I hear you on that front - it does feel open ended and probably will continue to do so until some kind of vaccine is available. I suspect quite a few people will be shy on travelling if shit continues to spin out overseas - and even if you are heading for a 'safe' country the whole travel side of it is scary.
I wouldn't be getting in a tube full of people to go to somewhere on a disease infected planet with them either, but I don't see where it ends.
We now have local lock downs and police blockades. That's not going to work either. We have to become a completely free covid free zone and stop people coming in, or give up and let it happen.
I can't see middle ground.
How much faith does anyone have in a vaccine soon? Will it work if / when the virus evolves? Do we just do this whole thing again if that happens?
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@reprobate said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
You silly fluffybunnies realise this is worse pretty much everywhere else right?
Yes. That is why we don't want to go there, you silly fluffybunny and take one of two tracks.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@JK by "we" who do you mean? Cindy obviously knew ahead of 4:00 p.m. There was a positive test ahead of then.
I (and others) had an event to be attended by Cindy scheduled for Friday and it was cancelled by lunchtime on Tues
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We now have local lock downs and police blockades. That's not going to work either. We have to become a completely free covid free zone and stop people coming in, or give up and let it happen.
I can't see middle ground.
I think middle ground is a bit like what we have in Sydney at the moment. 5-20 cases a day, so it's still around. But pubs and restaurants are open, you can go to the footy, see friends etc. Just a few restrictions to numbers, no big weddings, parties etc. It's close to 'normal' if not quite there.
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@Paekakboyz yea probably over stating the apparent inaction but when people like Helen Clarke have been calling for 'exit strategies' and nothing is produced (I know alot more going on behind the scenes, but as general public should at least be provided a big picture type view)
Ive heard L4 for Auckland, L3 rest...people in medical world
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Anyways just to add to the paranoia I have heard from a number of authoritative sources today - CEO of top 50 company, Senior Clinician at a leading hospital, Partner at a top law firm that we are moving to Lvl 4 for four weeks. Thing is I don't think they have the good oil. I simply feel they are making the same educated guess as me. But when "people in the know" start saying these things it gives what is effectively not even a rumour credibility. Then we do go to Level 4 everyone goes a-ha. But all that's happened is the educated guess was right - which in probability it should be more often than not.
Thats also consistent with the messaging I've been getting from DHB contacts.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We now have local lock downs and police blockades. That's not going to work either. We have to become a completely free covid free zone and stop people coming in, or give up and let it happen.
I can't see middle ground.
I think middle ground is a bit like what we have in Sydney at the moment. 5-20 cases a day, so it's still around. But pubs and restaurants are open, you can go to the footy, see friends etc. Just a few restrictions to numbers, no big weddings, parties etc. It's close to 'normal' if not quite there.
Community transmission? I haven't been watching SYD. Are they all "new cases" from overseas?
Honestly, having to barricade customers from my business because of 4 people that went in the opposite direction to where I am is just daft.
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@reprobate said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
You silly fluffybunnies realise this is worse pretty much everywhere else right?
Depends on how long you keep getting sent back to your room.
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Whilst thankful that on a personal level that me, the mrs, the folks ( retired obviously ) ex wife, her hubby and most close mates will be fine there are also others I know well that will be well and truly FUCKED if the country has another lockdown even for a couple of weeks.
For their sake I'm hoping for the best but shit a brick, it's not good.