Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo scroll back a few months...
nah cant sorry, think domestic was a no go at both???
I know it was on L4 unless for essential workers, but not sure for connecting flights to international exits.
L3 was weird as you could travel once in 1 direction, we flew Chch to Welly in L3.
But I can't remember if there was broader guidance for people wanting to leave the country
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@canefan yeah a recipe doomed to fail.
FOr air crew, doing even only a few flights a week, how/when do you isolate/test them, keep them away from family etc
You have hotel staff, security, laundry companies (cleaning sheets/towels etc from facilities)
@voodoo Cindy would ask why you leave? Lockdown fun
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Can anyone remember what the deal was with flights in L3 and L4? Specifically international flights OUT of Auckland, with a domestic connection prior
Will depend on the relevant Covid order.
Covid Level 2-3 OrderPeople can leave NZ via Auckland either directly or transit from another place in NZ, or transit through on a domestic connection, as long as they stay less than 12 hours and don't leave the airport except to get on a plane.
I suspect even at level 4, if we get there, people will be able to leave NZ.
I don't think we will get to level 4 unless community transmission is unchecked - level 3 is enough to shut the virus down. However, public servants love to plan for the worst.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Can anyone remember what the deal was with flights in L3 and L4? Specifically international flights OUT of Auckland, with a domestic connection prior
Will depend on the relevant Covid order.
Covid Level 2-3 OrderPeople can leave NZ via Auckland either directly or transit from another place in NZ, or transit through on a domestic connection, as long as they stay less than 12 hours and don't leave the airport except to get on a plane.
I suspect even at level 4, if we get there, people will be able to leave NZ.
I don't think we will get to level 4 unless community transmission is unchecked - level 3 is enough to shut the virus down. However, public servants love to plan for the worst.
Robertson was asked on TV tonight, he said they would rather not go to L4, and if everyone does the right thing we shouldn't need to. Was talking targeted subsidies and threw 2 weeks out there. For what its worth
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@JC said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
How is this OK? Why should it be excused?
Newshub can reveal that just one week before our current community outbreak, 63.5 percent of all border and hotel isolation workers in Auckland had never been tested for COVID-19
I said that earlier. In between that and Winnie's revelation Labour should be put on the rack. Lucky the public are quaffing Cindy's kool aid it barely gets mentioned. One of these untested workers has contracted COVID-19 and spread it to this cluster family
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@canefan although that sounds different to what Winny claims to know...but yeah, when you look at all the people they need to keep the borders as they are, it was only a matter of time before someone picked it up and took it out into the community.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan although that sounds different to what Winny claims to know...but yeah, when you look at all the people they need to keep the borders as they are, it was only a matter of time before someone picked it up and took it out into the community.
Two different examples of mismanagement
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@canefan I think early on you could give them benefit of the doubt that they were not aware of the enormity of the job of managing the border and all the peripheral trades and touch points, but you'd have thought they would have seen the gaps before now, or maybe they took thier eyes off the ball focussing on keeping qurantine folk in, they failed to see all these people who were being exposed...
That said, surely these people should take a wee bit of responsibility too, knowing you are going into that environment where you are at risk of exposure, for not upping thier game? If I was someone doing it, I'd want to be fully protected, not just for me, but for my family and friends.
I dont know, I am trying to keep an open and bit more positive mind about it all
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Any got the herald premium? Keen to see content of this Covid related article
What your employer can and can't do over alert level 3 lockdown
https://nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12356133 -
@JC my first question is who is counted in that in terms of roles and proximity to the quaranteed. Then I'd want to know what sort of staff interaction happens to see if there was a high risk group who directly interact with lower risk staff.
But unless I hear different I'm thinking that some people in high risk jobs - even if there is a few degrees of separation from returnees - aren't being tested. That is worrying. I'd expect there to be clarification asap if say only 20% of the workforce is high risk so testing 35% means they were erring on the side of caution or something.
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@JC said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
How is this OK? Why should it be excused?
Newshub can reveal that just one week before our current community outbreak, 63.5 percent of all border and hotel isolation workers in Auckland had never been tested for COVID-19
This so frustrating. Amateur hour by Cindy and co.
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@JC my first question is who is counted in that in terms of roles and proximity to the quaranteed. Then I'd want to know what sort of staff interaction happens to see if there was a high risk group who directly interact with lower risk staff.
I have no idea. But if the strategy really is to have no transmission into the community then you canāt have a porous border. So if it was me in charge Iād have been stressing that there is absolutely no room for tolerance for people who come into contact with infected travellers to become a vector into the NZ community. Thatās the definition of the word quarantine.
The other thing Iād be doing is asking for evidence that there are adequate controls and Iād be asking some pretty searching questions about how any assurances are backed up. The most valuable five words Iāve ever used in my career, and Iāve said it a lot, is āwalk me through the planā. Has no minister ever said that? What about Bloomfield, has he? Have they got something more important to be doing?
But unless I hear different I'm thinking that some people in high risk jobs - even if there is a few degrees of separation from returnees - aren't being tested. That is worrying. I'd expect there to be clarification asap if say only 20% of the workforce is high risk so testing 35% means they were erring on the side of caution or something.
Maybe thatās true. But if it is Iād expect someone to have said, at some stage, that here is the strategy and why, here is how we categorise the risks and hereās the science behind why this is the correct number.
FWIW I doubt thatās a valid justification. If it is the opportunity to use it was a couple of hours ago but instead theyāve now said everybody will be tested at least once a week.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan Opinion polls suggest the overwhelming majority of Kiwi's are pleased with the way the govt has handled COVID. The next poll will be interesting.
One theory is that the family out there on their tiki tour with the virus are National voters. They waited until the election campaign kicked off just to put a spanner in Labourās re-election chances Thereby saying that someone in government stuffed up.
The other theory is that the family are in with Labour and were told to hold tight and their test results would be made public post the launch. Labour could then go into full on mode and the PM would get the daily platform as a reminder to everyone of the job previously done and that NZers will ārally againā
Just a couple of theories.