Cannabis debate
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@canefan said in Cannabis debate:
@Rembrandt said in Cannabis debate:
My big concern with legalisation is increased use in under 20 year olds and accidents resulting from people under the influence, maybe there are ways to mitigate that once legalised.
This. As for mitigation, is that going to be like shutting the gate after the horse has bolted?
I'm not up with the latest advancements. If they can test 'under the influence' then that solves some of the problems. As for under 20 year olds getting it, I know there was no issue getting it when I was young. Maybe other peoples experience is different or things have changed since then. I think the best you can do is give your kids advice and hope they make good decisions. I would rather teens getting hold of weed that met certain criteria than those dodgy legal highs or whatever the local tinnie house is peddling.
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@gt12 said in Cannabis debate:
I was always for it, until I started talking with a friend from Colorado who is a pain specialist. He recently wrote a book about it:
I've talked myself into voting 'yes'. I don't like cannabis, and it causes harm - the question is whether it causes more harm to the community by being illegal. A bit like prostitution; it's not always a positive thing, but is it worse to be open, legal and taxed, or illegal and done anyway.
It's not great either way, but I reflected on a mate who escaped a cannabis conviction by the skin of his teeth, and then went on to a successful career in private and public sector. Would he have had that with a conviction? Probably not. And yet, 80%+ of the population have tried it at some stage.
I don't think teh bill is great, but I think it's better (on balance) than the status quo. You can tell I'm not an enthusiastic voter about this at all
Should get a thread going on euthanasia. Hosteda few doctors last ngiht, and none were keen on it at all. And yet that one sounds like it's relatively uncontroversial by comparison...
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@nzzp I take the same simplistic view on euthanasia as I do on legalising pot. Basically that we should be starting from a position of "yes" then figuring out how to make it work.
To me, telling someone that they should have to continuing living a life they no longer want to live, even in in circumstances where they no longer have control of their faculties, is just extraordinary. Twlling them that there is no way for them to gain assistance in ending their lives, is beyond comprehension to me.
Yes there is lots to work through. It shouldn't be easy. You dont want people to feel forced or obligated because they are a burden. But let's start from "yes" then figure that stuff out.
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@voodoo good call. I don't think the doctors were fundamentally against it - they just think it's a lawyer thing, not a doctor thing. Putting doctors at the heart of it seems to drive going against the hippocratic oath. It's a bit simplistic, but I think it shoudl be done, but as you say, it shouldn't be easy.
Also, the billboards saying 'no parental cosnent required' is an absolutely gyp ... once you turn 18, no parental consent is needed for any medical or legal procedure. FFS.
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I’m somewhat supportive if they can keep it out of edibles and away from kids.
But I don’t think they can do that.
I assume that weed will have to move to edibles as the government wants to reduce smoking. I haven’t read the bill so I don’t know what issues are addressed and how, but the law of unintended consequences suggests that we’ll get some negative externalities.
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I'm a def yes for medicinal cannabis, but am still on the fence re decriminalising it.
I did have a chuckle reading the article the other day, Whinny saying NZ First would make ciggies cheaper, then had a dig at the making NZ Smoke FRee by 2025 and legalizing weed...
So if NZ becomes smoke free (Yeah Right) does that make Tobacco illegal then? Assume Weed would be too, for smoking at least?
Was listening to something the other day and NZ is def not going down the route of some of the US states with gummies and all sorts of products and paraphenalia
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@canefan said in Cannabis debate:
@gt12 I think it was telling that Maori feature disproportionately in cannabis convictions, and a high percentage of Maori polled in a tvnz poll want cannabis decriminalised. Will it have a positive effect on people in Northland for example?
Who knows? But I'm really not sure that it will lead to long term significantly higher usage. All those people you speak of, they're all getting weed now, its just that the profits are going to gangs and dealers. They all still have to go to work and drive cars, its not liek they'll become 24/7 slackers. And imagine all that extra tax revenue going into extra policing, including RBT's and the drug testing equivalents?
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@taniwharugby said in Cannabis debate:
I'm a def yes for medicinal cannabis, but am still on the fence re decriminalising it.
I did have a chuckle reading the article the other day, Whinny saying NZ First would make ciggies cheaper, then had a dig at the making NZ Smoke FRee by 2025 and legalizing weed...
So if NZ becomes smoke free (Yeah Right) does that make Tobacco illegal then? Assume Weed would be too, for smoking at least?
Was listening to something the other day and NZ is def not going down the route of some of the US states with gummies and all sorts of products and paraphenalia
I think its absolutely staggering that anyone could not be for medicinal cannabis, but be ok with being prescribed opioids like oxycontin or morphine...🤔
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@voodoo possibly a mental thing?
Those have pretty much always been illegal, typically harder to source so people probably dont come across them as much, where they see weed more commonly so associate the medicinal aspect with the 'seedy druggies' having a joint?
But yeah, no idea haha
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@voodoo said in Cannabis debate:
@taniwharugby said in Cannabis debate:
I'm a def yes for medicinal cannabis, but am still on the fence re decriminalising it.
I did have a chuckle reading the article the other day, Whinny saying NZ First would make ciggies cheaper, then had a dig at the making NZ Smoke FRee by 2025 and legalizing weed...
So if NZ becomes smoke free (Yeah Right) does that make Tobacco illegal then? Assume Weed would be too, for smoking at least?
Was listening to something the other day and NZ is def not going down the route of some of the US states with gummies and all sorts of products and paraphenalia
I think its absolutely staggering that anyone could not be for medicinal cannabis, but be ok with being prescribed opioids like oxycontin or morphine...🤔
I've no problem with medicinal cannabis. I'm yet to be convinced that the government would appropriately manage recreational cannabis
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@canefan said in Cannabis debate:
@voodoo said in Cannabis debate:
@taniwharugby said in Cannabis debate:
I'm a def yes for medicinal cannabis, but am still on the fence re decriminalising it.
I did have a chuckle reading the article the other day, Whinny saying NZ First would make ciggies cheaper, then had a dig at the making NZ Smoke FRee by 2025 and legalizing weed...
So if NZ becomes smoke free (Yeah Right) does that make Tobacco illegal then? Assume Weed would be too, for smoking at least?
Was listening to something the other day and NZ is def not going down the route of some of the US states with gummies and all sorts of products and paraphenalia
I think its absolutely staggering that anyone could not be for medicinal cannabis, but be ok with being prescribed opioids like oxycontin or morphine...🤔
I've no problem with medicinal cannabis. I'm yet to be convinced that the government would appropriately manage recreational cannabis
And that's fine, its a fair debate - but medicinal shouldn't even be discussed in the public domain.
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@canefan said in Cannabis debate:
@voodoo said in Cannabis debate:
@taniwharugby said in Cannabis debate:
I'm a def yes for medicinal cannabis, but am still on the fence re decriminalising it.
I did have a chuckle reading the article the other day, Whinny saying NZ First would make ciggies cheaper, then had a dig at the making NZ Smoke FRee by 2025 and legalizing weed...
So if NZ becomes smoke free (Yeah Right) does that make Tobacco illegal then? Assume Weed would be too, for smoking at least?
Was listening to something the other day and NZ is def not going down the route of some of the US states with gummies and all sorts of products and paraphenalia
I think its absolutely staggering that anyone could not be for medicinal cannabis, but be ok with being prescribed opioids like oxycontin or morphine...🤔
I've no problem with medicinal cannabis. I'm yet to be convinced that the government would appropriately manage recreational cannabis
Maybe start with that and gradually shift.
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@voodoo said in Cannabis debate:
@canefan said in Cannabis debate:
@voodoo said in Cannabis debate:
@taniwharugby said in Cannabis debate:
I'm a def yes for medicinal cannabis, but am still on the fence re decriminalising it.
I did have a chuckle reading the article the other day, Whinny saying NZ First would make ciggies cheaper, then had a dig at the making NZ Smoke FRee by 2025 and legalizing weed...
So if NZ becomes smoke free (Yeah Right) does that make Tobacco illegal then? Assume Weed would be too, for smoking at least?
Was listening to something the other day and NZ is def not going down the route of some of the US states with gummies and all sorts of products and paraphenalia
I think its absolutely staggering that anyone could not be for medicinal cannabis, but be ok with being prescribed opioids like oxycontin or morphine...🤔
I've no problem with medicinal cannabis. I'm yet to be convinced that the government would appropriately manage recreational cannabis
And that's fine, its a fair debate - but medicinal shouldn't even be discussed in the public domain.
I don't even know why they insist on bundling it up. Its a health issue
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@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@canefan said in Cannabis debate:
@voodoo said in Cannabis debate:
@taniwharugby said in Cannabis debate:
I'm a def yes for medicinal cannabis, but am still on the fence re decriminalising it.
I did have a chuckle reading the article the other day, Whinny saying NZ First would make ciggies cheaper, then had a dig at the making NZ Smoke FRee by 2025 and legalizing weed...
So if NZ becomes smoke free (Yeah Right) does that make Tobacco illegal then? Assume Weed would be too, for smoking at least?
Was listening to something the other day and NZ is def not going down the route of some of the US states with gummies and all sorts of products and paraphenalia
I think its absolutely staggering that anyone could not be for medicinal cannabis, but be ok with being prescribed opioids like oxycontin or morphine...🤔
I've no problem with medicinal cannabis. I'm yet to be convinced that the government would appropriately manage recreational cannabis
Maybe start with that and gradually shift.
If they are serious about making it legal across the board this would be smart. Better chance of getting it right
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@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@canefan said in Cannabis debate:
@voodoo said in Cannabis debate:
@taniwharugby said in Cannabis debate:
I'm a def yes for medicinal cannabis, but am still on the fence re decriminalising it.
I did have a chuckle reading the article the other day, Whinny saying NZ First would make ciggies cheaper, then had a dig at the making NZ Smoke FRee by 2025 and legalizing weed...
So if NZ becomes smoke free (Yeah Right) does that make Tobacco illegal then? Assume Weed would be too, for smoking at least?
Was listening to something the other day and NZ is def not going down the route of some of the US states with gummies and all sorts of products and paraphenalia
I think its absolutely staggering that anyone could not be for medicinal cannabis, but be ok with being prescribed opioids like oxycontin or morphine...🤔
I've no problem with medicinal cannabis. I'm yet to be convinced that the government would appropriately manage recreational cannabis
Maybe start with that and gradually shift.
Not for me mate. I don't see why the public should have any say over what doctors can prescribe. We didn't vote in morphine, we shouldn't be voting out marijuana.
Recreational is a totally differently of fish, though I'm still in favour of it.
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@voodoo said in Cannabis debate:
@Kirwan said in Cannabis debate:
@canefan said in Cannabis debate:
@voodoo said in Cannabis debate:
@taniwharugby said in Cannabis debate:
I'm a def yes for medicinal cannabis, but am still on the fence re decriminalising it.
I did have a chuckle reading the article the other day, Whinny saying NZ First would make ciggies cheaper, then had a dig at the making NZ Smoke FRee by 2025 and legalizing weed...
So if NZ becomes smoke free (Yeah Right) does that make Tobacco illegal then? Assume Weed would be too, for smoking at least?
Was listening to something the other day and NZ is def not going down the route of some of the US states with gummies and all sorts of products and paraphenalia
I think its absolutely staggering that anyone could not be for medicinal cannabis, but be ok with being prescribed opioids like oxycontin or morphine...🤔
I've no problem with medicinal cannabis. I'm yet to be convinced that the government would appropriately manage recreational cannabis
Maybe start with that and gradually shift.
Not for me mate. I don't see why the public should have any say over what doctors can prescribe. We didn't vote in morphine, we shouldn't be voting out marijuana.
Recreational is a totally differently of fish, though I'm still in favour of it.
I think you are confused. I said the public shouldn't be consulted about medicinal. Its a health issue for the professionals. And I agreed with Kirwan that phasing in medicinal first then looking at recreational after might be a good idea
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Was in the car the other day and an ad came on re the referendum basically saying that if people voted yes then everyone was going to jump in the car while high and kill kids.
That shit pisses me off to the maximum. I want to hear arguments and facts and stats from both sides of the equation, not bullshit hyperbole. Also, if we can regulate alcohol consumption/punishment for driving while intoxicated etc can't see why regulating cannabis should be so hard. If those in chronic pain can get some relief from a few puffs, then I have to ask why not.