Black Lives Matter
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@Frank said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo
So the ratings drop is nothing to do with the perceived virtue signaling by some of the NBA players?How the fuck would I know? How would I know if ratings actually went up massively because of the "virtue signalling" but fell dramatically because people were preoccupied with job losses or some other Covid related shit?
I have no idea.
But it sure as hell isn't necessary for Cuban to explain it to Cruz.
Nor me to you.
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More on the Pure Gym thing. As is often the case there is less going on behind the headlines and consequent outrage.
Nothing to see here. Move along quietly please.
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@Catogrande any idea what Sainsbury's did?
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Catogrande any idea what Sainsbury's did?
They released a two fold statement
- They created a safespace for Black people during Black Lives Matter
- They have vowed to address the ethnic pay gap (whatever that means)
They have also said they are ashamed that only 8% of their top brass are non-white & are doing something to address it. Additionally, that 8% is still higher than the percentage of black employees.
Basically, they went woke.
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I should add - they haven't necessarily done anything wrong. However, it has been construed that they are
- Creating racially segregated areas
- Admit to under paying ethnic minorities
Dubious on both myself, but I certainly don't agree that people who are criticising them for these point of views deserve to be called racist.
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Both companies thought they could monetise Black History Month and BLM rather than just getting on with it.
Backfired for both.
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@MiketheSnow said in Black Lives Matter:
Both companies thought they could monetise Black History Month and BLM rather than just getting on with it.
Backfired for both.
In the case of Pure Gym though, it was only in one place and was an individual initiative- allegedly 😀
Actually I probably believe it.
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@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones I think the senator might be right. Noteworthy that Cuban offered no explanation of his own for the viewing figures, at a time when there's nothing much to do, just attacked the senators character.
Does Cuban need to? When you have a US Senator effectively trying to stifle any future protestors with the message that standing up for their rights might have financial ramifications (ironically, the very thing that Lebron got hauled over the coals for), I'm not sure Cuban owes him anything.
But if you're after an explanation, you have a finals going on between a team hated across the country outside of LA, who look certain to beat an injury-ravaged opponent in 5 games. Its really not that compelling viewing.
I'm not arguing the right of Cuban to do anything. I'm questioning why he didn't offer an explanation to the senators "incorrect" hypothesis.
You did a better job of explaining than a vested interest NBA figurehead.
If the low numbers aren't because of wokeness then why not just say so?I guess the games not featuring the lakers had ok viewers hip then. ( sounds a bit spurious that LA alone have turned away so many people, but ok.
Zero fans turned off by woke signalling then, cool. Nothing for the nba to worry about, except for shit stirring senators 👍
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Creating a defined space that you can only enter if you are a particular skin colour is racial segregation. Calling it a 'safe space' is rebranding that practice.
"You can't go in there, you have the wrong skin colour. Black people are different from normal people, they need their own space to be safe from you evil white people"
Wokeists of course applaud this BS because at their core they don't see black people as normal people. Wokeists dominate twitter/media/silicon valley/academia/hollywood, corporations think these institutions/platforms represent a fair cross-section of society so think there is money to either push this divisiveness or alternatively protect themselves from being burnt to the ground when these peaceful types do what they do and authorities bend the knee to the mob.
If we are at the point where black people need a 'safe space' from other races (mainly white people), without any real evidence..are we really that far away from a group saying "Well hangon, maybe white people need a safe space from other races?".
You get a generation of people being brought up being told that they are by default bad people because they are white, who get openly discriminated against in employment and academia (discrimination which is cheered on by media as 'social justice' or correcting wrongs of the past). Then suddenly some political group brings up the question about maybe white people need a safe space too. They back up this message with what appears to be compelling evidence, perhaps a few horrific race-based crimes against white people that received very little media attention because it didn't fit a particular narrative, maybe official crime statistics. Maybe this party starts to really feed this resentment, knowingly twisting facts to suit their purpose. Is this possibility really that far fetched?
I hope this hurts Sainsbury's hard. 'Get woke, go broke' is important to maintain.
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@Siam I guess I just don't think it's his job to be outlining all the possible reasons to Cruz. I think his broader point is that it is pretty shitty for a US Senator to sit there and tell people that their right to peaceful protest is a joke that will send them broke, using a wanky little hashtag to boot.
Thats politics right now I guess
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Overwhelmingly peaceful protesters spreading their message of peace to Wauwatosa, Wisconsin businesses and suburbs tonight.
Why oh why doesn't Trump condemn the Proudboys!
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@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
Creating a defined space that you can only enter if you are a particular skin colour is racial segregation. Calling it a 'safe space' is rebranding that practice.
"You can't go in there, you have the wrong skin colour. Black people are different from normal people, they need their own space to be safe from you evil white people"
Wokeists of course applaud this BS because at their core they don't see black people as normal people. Wokeists dominate twitter/media/silicon valley/academia/hollywood, corporations think these institutions/platforms represent a fair cross-section of society so think there is money to either push this divisiveness or alternatively protect themselves from being burnt to the ground when these peaceful types do what they do and authorities bend the knee to the mob.
If we are at the point where black people need a 'safe space' from other races (mainly white people), without any real evidence..are we really that far away from a group saying "Well hangon, maybe white people need a safe space from other races?".
You get a generation of people being brought up being told that they are by default bad people because they are white, who get openly discriminated against in employment and academia (discrimination which is cheered on by media as 'social justice' or correcting wrongs of the past). Then suddenly some political group brings up the question about maybe white people need a safe space too. They back up this message with what appears to be compelling evidence, perhaps a few horrific race-based crimes against white people that received very little media attention because it didn't fit a particular narrative, maybe official crime statistics. Maybe this party starts to really feed this resentment, knowingly twisting facts to suit their purpose. Is this possibility really that far fetched?
I hope this hurts Sainsbury's hard. 'Get woke, go broke' is important to maintain.
Raising young brown/black people to believe they need extra help and/or protection is equally as damaging to their mental wellbeing. The whole ideology is damaging to everyone.
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@No-Quarter as much as I agree with Rembrandt's post I think this response is missing the mark as I don't necessarily think they are raised to believe they need extra help.
I'm actually quite interested in what they have to say when they don't have a platform / think they are some sort of activists. We've been doing it a bit at work, and so have most other companies in the Greater London area. This is the feedback I'd say seems the most consistent
- Met police do racially profile, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Groups of menacing black youths are usually trouble
- Would love to see more Black leaders locally and regionally to feel more included in the UK
- Generally don't actually want to cause trouble, and hence although supportive of BLM, not fans of it - if that makes sense.
Quite interesting stuff.
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@No-Quarter we never hear from black people what they want, or if they subscribe to the victimhood mentality. Edit: sorry rage, just read your post
Has anyone properly surveyed the black people that so many claim to speak for?Do they like the blm organisation or message?
Who are the black people? Am I one? My mother? My cousins? Is it a one drop rule? African origins only? Skin colour chart?
Far too few details or specifics about what mainstream blm stands for and the actual evidence of systemic racism, not outcome evaluation only. Really weird seeing black police chiefs, mayors, ex president's wives and city leaders pointing out systemic racism. How'd you get the top job then?
But mostly all these movements explicitly remove any agency or sovereignty from the target minority. It always reads condescension- you can't do any good if we "privileged" people don't bend down and change laws to help you. I find that patronising generalisation to be grotesque.
As an aside, if only the current incarnation of blm had been called " accountability for killer cops". A specific movement we could all understand in it's entirety.
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@No-Quarter as much as I agree with Rembrandt's post I think this response is missing the mark as I don't necessarily think they are raised to believe they need extra help.
I'm actually quite interested in what they have to say when they don't have a platform / think they are some sort of activists. We've been doing it a bit at work, and so have most other companies in the Greater London area. This is the feedback I'd say seems the most consistent
- Met police do racially profile, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Groups of menacing black youths are usually trouble
- Would love to see more Black leaders locally and regionally to feel more included in the UK
- Generally don't actually want to cause trouble, and hence although supportive of BLM, not fans of it - if that makes sense.
Quite interesting stuff.
Fuck common sense is getting really expensive these days.
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@MiketheSnow Thats why it's in short supply.
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@Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@No-Quarter we never hear from black people what they want, or if they subscribe to the victimhood mentality. Edit: sorry rage, just read your post
Has anyone properly surveyed the black people that so many claim to speak for?Do they like the blm organisation or message?
Who are the black people? Am I one? My mother? My cousins? Is it a one drop rule? African origins only? Skin colour chart?
This is pertinent in the UK.
There are as many differences within BAME as between BAME and UK white society.
And within UK white society.
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@No-Quarter as much as I agree with Rembrandt's post I think this response is missing the mark as I don't necessarily think they are raised to believe they need extra help.
I'm actually quite interested in what they have to say when they don't have a platform / think they are some sort of activists. We've been doing it a bit at work, and so have most other companies in the Greater London area. This is the feedback I'd say seems the most consistent
- Met police do racially profile, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Groups of menacing black youths are usually trouble
- Would love to see more Black leaders locally and regionally to feel more included in the UK
- Generally don't actually want to cause trouble, and hence although supportive of BLM, not fans of it - if that makes sense.
Quite interesting stuff.
My wife (sample size: 1) finds it condescending as fuck, and has also encountered young black people that firmly believe the world is against them because of the colour of their skin. Shoving this stuff down our youths throats has real effects on their mental health. Yes there are some racist assholes out there, but all of this crap about "systemic racism" just makes them lose hope as how can they expect to succeed in a system that is rigged against them? It's not true at all, and I really loathe the people pushing this bullshit.
In fact talking about my wife, she has said she has more respect for the white supremacists, as at least they're honest about what they think. She absolutely loathes these racist lefties pushing these ideas and then hiding behind "compassion". She's convinced a big portion of them are just straight up racist and continue to push ideas around white privilege down everyone's throats as it ensures white people are always at the top of the hierarchy.
@MiketheSnow is bang on though, the differences of opinion within racial groups are larger than the differences between them. Making assumptions about someone's lived experiences and opinions based on skin colour is so stupid I don't even know where to begin.