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I’m still waiting to hear why these emails are getting some people’s panties wet.
Nothing in them we didn’t know or has relevance to his fathers campaign.
It’s pure mud slinging at the moment.
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@Crucial So at this point you agree they are real but don't see an issue with their content outside of normal politician family favouritism? Nothing that should preclude someone taking the highest office? (at least in 2020's low-bar standards)
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Crucial So at this point you agree they are real but don't see an issue with their content outside of normal politician family favouritism? Nothing that should preclude someone taking the highest office? (at least in 2020's low-bar standards)
It certainly appears that the source of the emails is Hunter's laptop and that people have not only accessed his private correspondence and photos but are going through it in detail looking for dirt. That's a bit scummy to start with and I wouldn't exactly be lauding those folk as heroes.
Do we know the veracity of every piece of info being released? Well, considering the aforementioned scumminess I don't exactly hold them in high trust. BUt yeah, let's assume that nothing is doctored.
Then you get the question of context. One email in a chain or series does not always provide the full story and opens up the ability to attach your own slant to it.
As for 'favouritism', I don't see evidence of that. I see evidence of using contacts and arms length influence to get your family a job for which they may not be the best at for sure. Show me most family businesses and you will see that happen to an extent.
I'm not condoning that a half baked twit can get a high paid job because of who his daddy is, just reluctantly accepting it as something that happens.
The big inference that I think you keep hinting at is that US policy was influenced by the needs of the Biden family. That is the only real story and I see zero evidence coming out here that counters the investigations already done. Lots of mud slinging, lots of inference but so far, no evidence. -
Anyway. Away from the sideshow for a moment and there is actually an election coming/happening.
As my weekly update on what has moved or not moved I can inform that the polls are showing no headline difference (now over the last month. The same states that are over 5% one way or another are still solid and still show that Biden can win using only those.
The 134 votes that sit in the under 5% margins each way are not required by the Dems but 96 of them currently lean that way.
If the polls were accurate (and we know they have margins of error) Trump would get heavily squashed and be 110 votes short. He is looking to (even with some poll reversal) be around 70 votes away from victory. -
@Rembrandt When you look at the polling state by state (not the popularity contest one) you can see why the Hunter Biden stuff is a desperate attempt to drum up scandal.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Crucial Great so given that the emails are likely real, do you see an issue with msm not reporting on them or Facebook/ Twitter censoring and banning people from sharing the story even in private messages?
Considering that they seem to be someone's private conversations and photos (albiet an idiot who effectively ceded 'ownership' by not collecting them from the fixit shop) then not really.
At the moment the publication/sharing is out and out mudslinging and an attempt at misinformation to affect a democratic process.
So yeah, they may not apply that stick evenly but two wrongs doesn't make a right.
You still can't explain their relevance which is the position the SM providers find themselves in.
People beg them on one hand to stop being vehicles of misinformation but then cry when they do so because, you know, gossip. -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Crucial Great so given that the emails are likely real, do you see an issue with msm not reporting on them or Facebook/ Twitter censoring and banning people from sharing the story even in private messages?
Considering that they seem to be someone's private conversations and photos (albiet an idiot who effectively ceded 'ownership' by not collecting them from the fixit shop) then not really.
At the moment the publication/sharing is out and out mudslinging and an attempt at misinformation to affect a democratic process.
So yeah, they may not apply that stick evenly but two wrongs doesn't make a right.
You still can't explain their relevance which is the position the SM providers find themselves in.
People beg them on one hand to stop being vehicles of misinformation but then cry when they do so because, you know, gossip.But they (twitter etc) don't have an issue when its relating to Trump. Even if there is nil evidence apart from a source (meaning likely just made up by fake news). In this case there is actual emails and photo's etc. And it points to Joe operating as the boss man. Where his son did the dirty (illegal?) work but Joe always got his cut. It it also involves foreign countries. If it was Trump doing this and real evidence the fake news media would be all over it. In fact when the evidence never existed they still were. And twitter never had an issue with people discussing it.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Crucial Great so given that the emails are likely real, do you see an issue with msm not reporting on them or Facebook/ Twitter censoring and banning people from sharing the story even in private messages?
Considering that they seem to be someone's private conversations and photos (albiet an idiot who effectively ceded 'ownership' by not collecting them from the fixit shop) then not really.
At the moment the publication/sharing is out and out mudslinging and an attempt at misinformation to affect a democratic process.
So yeah, they may not apply that stick evenly but two wrongs doesn't make a right.
You still can't explain their relevance which is the position the SM providers find themselves in.
People beg them on one hand to stop being vehicles of misinformation but then cry when they do so because, you know, gossip.But they (twitter etc) don't have an issue when its relating to Trump. Even if there is nil evidence apart from a source (meaning likely just made up by fake news). In this case there is actual emails and photo's etc. And it points to Joe operating as the boss man. Where his son did the dirty (illegal?) work but Joe always got his cut. It it also involves foreign countries. If it was Trump doing this and real evidence the fake news media would be all over it. In fact when the evidence never existed they still were. And twitter never had an issue with people discussing it.
I've seen no evidence of any of that (except that Hunter was working in a foreign country). Can you be specific on your accusations and confirm that you aren't reading them and applying a meaning you want to see rather than what is actually there?
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@Winger and @Rembrandt (as you seem to be the most excited about this) can I ask how you would feel if you lost a laptop and instead of wiping it someone decided that despite no illegality on your behalf they would publicly release the contents to try and paint you and your family in a bad light. This could include naked shots of you and photos other people took with your phone when you were wasted.
Forget all the SM and MSM crying for a second and tell me whether this is acceptable behaviour by Rudi G. -
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
I've seen no evidence of any of that
Mores going to come out. Although there's enough already. But you will need to read other media outlets than ones that's got Joe's back (and suffer from TDS)
Still not answering the Q. What is there that is evidence of illegality ?
Stop falling back on accusing people of being less informed than you because they don't read the biased publications you do.
I could easily accuse you of TDSDS because it is more and more obvious that is a thing as well.
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i dont honestly know enough about whats come out either way
whats i do find amazing is in political TV shows vetting and uncovering all that stuff BEFORE the candidate gets chosen is always a huge deal...either they dont do that in real life or everyone else has more dirt!
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger and @Rembrandt (as you seem to be the most excited about this) can I ask how you would feel if you lost a laptop and instead of wiping it someone decided that despite no illegality on your behalf they would publicly release the contents to try and paint you and your family in a bad light. This could include naked shots of you and photos other people took with your phone when you were wasted.
Forget all the SM and MSM crying for a second and tell me whether this is acceptable behaviour by Rudi G.Not excited. More like concerned (and disgusted) by it all (I would sooner it wasn't true)
And Hunter didn't lose his laptop. That in itself is interesting. Why would he do this? Drop it off with all this information on it and then not pick it back up and pay for the work done (that should really be one of the first area of focus)
But my main concern is the media censoring it all. The west needs a trusted and high std media otherwise the future will not be great. Except for the wealthy elite
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger and @Rembrandt (as you seem to be the most excited about this) can I ask how you would feel if you lost a laptop and instead of wiping it someone decided that despite no illegality on your behalf they would publicly release the contents to try and paint you and your family in a bad light. This could include naked shots of you and photos other people took with your phone when you were wasted.
Forget all the SM and MSM crying for a second and tell me whether this is acceptable behaviour by Rudi G.Not excited. More like concerned (and disgusted) by it all (I would sooner it wasn't true)
And Hunter didn't lose his laptop. That in itself is interesting. Why would he do this? Drop it off with all this information on it and then not pick it back up and pay for the work done
Concerned and disgusted by what? You are still shouting at clouds.
The guys a druggie. Dropped his laptop of to be fixed and not only didn't bother to return and pay for the work but was dumb enough to hand it over to a Trump supporter that was enough of a scumbag to go through his client's emails and pass them on.
I would certainly hope I could trust a tradesperson more than that (even if I didn't pay them). I'd say that every day businesses wipe hard drives without going through them and respecting people's privacy.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger and @Rembrandt (as you seem to be the most excited about this) can I ask how you would feel if you lost a laptop and instead of wiping it someone decided that despite no illegality on your behalf they would publicly release the contents to try and paint you and your family in a bad light. This could include naked shots of you and photos other people took with your phone when you were wasted.
Forget all the SM and MSM crying for a second and tell me whether this is acceptable behaviour by Rudi G.Not excited. More like concerned (and disgusted) by it all (I would sooner it wasn't true)
And Hunter didn't lose his laptop. That in itself is interesting. Why would he do this? Drop it off with all this information on it and then not pick it back up and pay for the work done
Concerned and disgusted by what? You are still shouting at clouds.
The guys a druggie. Dropped his laptop of to be fixed and not only didn't bother to return and pay for the work but was dumb enough to hand it over to a Trump supporter that was enough of a scumbag to go through his client's emails and pass them on.
I would certainly hope I could trust a tradesperson more than that (even if I didn't pay them). I'd say that every day businesses wipe hard drives without going through them and respecting people's privacy.
Why do you find it 'interesting' ? Do you have a conspiracy theory to regale us with?So if you so illegal stuff on a laptop what would you do?
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@Winger said in US Politics:
But my main concern is the media censoring it all. The west needs a trusted and high std media otherwise the future will not be great. Except for the wealthy elite
There are still laws around libel and slander. Dragging people through the mud without good reason to attack someone else isn't good journalism. It is no wonder they have turned their noses up.
Given that most journalism these days looks forward to scandal I'm pretty sure that evidence of wrongdoing would be pounced on and most would want to be first. Instead it is a tabloid breaking the news. Hmmm. -
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger and @Rembrandt (as you seem to be the most excited about this) can I ask how you would feel if you lost a laptop and instead of wiping it someone decided that despite no illegality on your behalf they would publicly release the contents to try and paint you and your family in a bad light. This could include naked shots of you and photos other people took with your phone when you were wasted.
Forget all the SM and MSM crying for a second and tell me whether this is acceptable behaviour by Rudi G.Not excited. More like concerned (and disgusted) by it all (I would sooner it wasn't true)
And Hunter didn't lose his laptop. That in itself is interesting. Why would he do this? Drop it off with all this information on it and then not pick it back up and pay for the work done
Concerned and disgusted by what? You are still shouting at clouds.
The guys a druggie. Dropped his laptop of to be fixed and not only didn't bother to return and pay for the work but was dumb enough to hand it over to a Trump supporter that was enough of a scumbag to go through his client's emails and pass them on.
I would certainly hope I could trust a tradesperson more than that (even if I didn't pay them). I'd say that every day businesses wipe hard drives without going through them and respecting people's privacy.
Why do you find it 'interesting' ? Do you have a conspiracy theory to regale us with?So if you so illegal stuff on a laptop what would you do?
For the umpteenth time. What illegal stuff?
You seem inable to coherently answer that question.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
Given that most journalism these days looks forward to scandal I'm pretty sure that evidence of wrongdoing would be pounced on and most would want to be first. Instead it is a tabloid breaking the news. Hmmm.
I wish that was true. Media today seems to take sides. Twitter is on team Joe's side for example. as is most of the est media. This to me is the biggest issue the west has today. Not what Hunter and Joe may or may not have done.
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