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@antipodean it's going to be really interesting (aka terrifying) to see what eventuates given the state of the world. Anyone would be on a hiding to nothing no?
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@antipodean it's going to be really interesting (aka terrifying) to see what eventuates given the state of the world. Anyone would be on a hiding to nothing no?
Interesting reading Bob Jones piece over the weekend saying how he as 1/4 billion cash waiting for next year to clean up on property when everyone goes broke.
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@Hooroo that's nearly a third of National's unallocated $$ for their proposed budget (ahem) for 2021!! What a savvy shit fluffybunny aye.
Only framed at way as that 700 million unallocated figure stuck in my brain.
Well it's one thing to do it and it's another to boast about it. A little untidy but if I put myself in the same position, I doubt I would sit on my hands, I just wouldn't boast it
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@antipodean it's going to be really interesting (aka terrifying) to see what eventuates given the state of the world. Anyone would be on a hiding to nothing no?
Agreed. Especially with the growing noise internationally from politicians responding to concerns about "international supply chains" to rewind the benefits of globalism.
A good way to wind into pre-WW1 nationalism in preparation for the upcoming Sino-Indian war/ South China Sea flare-up.
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@Billy-Tell I don't think we have a monopoly on that style. I think JLR was a joke more so than the interview or how it was conducted.
It was just pathetic IMO. The main aim was to humiliate the invited guest. It was schoolyard bully stuff. I didn’t really see any journalistic merit in the interview itself. You can ask the difficult and probing questions without being thoroughly unpleasant and impolite. It’s basically a continuation of the Paul Holmes style of journalism. What makes NZ TV so awful as well is there was probably an ad break just before and after.
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Is this it?
That's remarkably unprofessional. Why book someone in the vain hope they're going to give the mea culpa you dream about?
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@antipodean yes, that's the one
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Honestly, I don't know why he wanted to go on TV after election night. Barry and Campbell etc were shitty to Nikki Kaye all evening and she didn't do anything wrong. How exactly did JLR think it was going to go down with his track record and an acerbic interviewer?
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@antipodean said in NZ Politics:
Is this it?
That's remarkably unprofessional. Why book someone in the vain hope they're going to give the mea culpa you dream about?
Is she always this bad?
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@antipodean said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@antipodean continuing on with what has served us so well for sixty years now....
I sincerely doubt Ardern's government is going to be much chop at positive economic reform.
I sincerely doubt that also, but the problem is, as opposed to who...?
Certainly not National, they have no claim to any sort of competence and some of the shit Collins was spouting was economically moronic.
Key had years and years to achieve something, and well, he didn't really bother. -
@reprobate said in NZ Politics:
Key had years and years to achieve something, and well, he didn't really bother.
I can tell you that opinion is quite removed from that held overseas of John Key.
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@antipodean said in NZ Politics:
@reprobate said in NZ Politics:
Key had years and years to achieve something, and well, he didn't really bother.
I can tell you that opinion is quite removed from that held overseas of John Key.
If we're going on opinion held overseas, then Ardern is pretty much god's gift mate.
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@reprobate said in NZ Politics:
@antipodean said in NZ Politics:
@reprobate said in NZ Politics:
Key had years and years to achieve something, and well, he didn't really bother.
I can tell you that opinion is quite removed from that held overseas of John Key.
If we're going on opinion held overseas, then Ardern is pretty much god's gift mate.
Yes, but not on economic matters. She's more a modern political Lady Diana...
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@antipodean which is still likely to benefit us on an international stage during trade and other negotiations.
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@antipodean which is still likely to benefit us on an international stage during trade and other negotiations.
I don't believe that is going to make trade negotiators buckle. Other countries don't give a shit that she's on the cover of New Idea and politicians are more than capable of fawning over her publicly while getting the absolute best deal for themselves.
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@antipodean big range between benefit and getting someone to buckle. If her profile gets her more time with other leaders that's a win imo.
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@antipodean said in NZ Politics:
@reprobate said in NZ Politics:
@antipodean said in NZ Politics:
@reprobate said in NZ Politics:
Key had years and years to achieve something, and well, he didn't really bother.
I can tell you that opinion is quite removed from that held overseas of John Key.
If we're going on opinion held overseas, then Ardern is pretty much god's gift mate.
Yes, but not on economic matters. She's more a modern political Lady Diana...
I'm not defending her, I think Labour have done fuck-all except a reasonable job on the Covid. My point remains, the opposition are such a shambles that fuck-all is probably still a win. You want someone to blame, blame them.
As for Key, name some achievements. He had a heap of political capital, and did very little with it. He lowered the top tax rate, increased GST, sold some assets, fucked education standards, brought back Sir/Dame and wasted a heap of money trying to change the flag. Hardly ground-breaking stuff. -
I have to say living in Australia for nearly 20 years I am a little envious of NZ. Maybe it's the old grass is greener bias but NZ appears to have a far better culture then many countries. It is hard to explain but I think Arden has a lot to do with this. Her relationships with Maori, Muslims, Minorities as a white middle/upper class woman have been nothing short of inspiring.
I saw that clip of her visiting the Maori wood carver from Twitch and it's this sort of thing that creates a culture that can only benefit all New Zealanders.
Is there even a way to accurately judge how well a political party has governed? Has there ever been a Govt that everyone agreed did an amazing job and didn't fuck someone over?
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