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@Winger said in US Politics:
But my main concern is the media censoring it all. The west needs a trusted and high std media otherwise the future will not be great. Except for the wealthy elite
There are still laws around libel and slander. Dragging people through the mud without good reason to attack someone else isn't good journalism. It is no wonder they have turned their noses up.
Given that most journalism these days looks forward to scandal I'm pretty sure that evidence of wrongdoing would be pounced on and most would want to be first. Instead it is a tabloid breaking the news. Hmmm. -
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@Winger and @Rembrandt (as you seem to be the most excited about this) can I ask how you would feel if you lost a laptop and instead of wiping it someone decided that despite no illegality on your behalf they would publicly release the contents to try and paint you and your family in a bad light. This could include naked shots of you and photos other people took with your phone when you were wasted.
Forget all the SM and MSM crying for a second and tell me whether this is acceptable behaviour by Rudi G.Not excited. More like concerned (and disgusted) by it all (I would sooner it wasn't true)
And Hunter didn't lose his laptop. That in itself is interesting. Why would he do this? Drop it off with all this information on it and then not pick it back up and pay for the work done
Concerned and disgusted by what? You are still shouting at clouds.
The guys a druggie. Dropped his laptop of to be fixed and not only didn't bother to return and pay for the work but was dumb enough to hand it over to a Trump supporter that was enough of a scumbag to go through his client's emails and pass them on.
I would certainly hope I could trust a tradesperson more than that (even if I didn't pay them). I'd say that every day businesses wipe hard drives without going through them and respecting people's privacy.
Why do you find it 'interesting' ? Do you have a conspiracy theory to regale us with?So if you so illegal stuff on a laptop what would you do?
For the umpteenth time. What illegal stuff?
You seem inable to coherently answer that question.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
Given that most journalism these days looks forward to scandal I'm pretty sure that evidence of wrongdoing would be pounced on and most would want to be first. Instead it is a tabloid breaking the news. Hmmm.
I wish that was true. Media today seems to take sides. Twitter is on team Joe's side for example. as is most of the est media. This to me is the biggest issue the west has today. Not what Hunter and Joe may or may not have done.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Given that most journalism these days looks forward to scandal I'm pretty sure that evidence of wrongdoing would be pounced on and most would want to be first. Instead it is a tabloid breaking the news. Hmmm.
I wish that was true. Media today seems to take sides. Twitter is on team Joe's side for example. as is most of the est media. This to me is the biggest issue the west has today. Not what Hunter and Joe may or may not have done.
So you want media to report stories implying scandal with no whiff of evidence of wrongdoing? I thought that's what you didn't want?
I assume you still can't tell me what they have done wrong, you just want the media to report half truths? Now I'm getting confused.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Given that most journalism these days looks forward to scandal I'm pretty sure that evidence of wrongdoing would be pounced on and most would want to be first. Instead it is a tabloid breaking the news. Hmmm.
I wish that was true. Media today seems to take sides. Twitter is on team Joe's side for example. as is most of the est media. This to me is the biggest issue the west has today. Not what Hunter and Joe may or may not have done.
So you want media to report stories implying scandal with no whiff of evidence of wrongdoing? I thought that's what you didn't want?
I assume you still can't tell me what they have done wrong, you just want the media to report half truths? Now I'm getting confused.
Twitter and Facebook, and much of the left leaning media, breathlessly report on (or allow on their platforms) the latest Trump half truth, rumour or gossip. They have been caught actively suppressing news about Biden.
Surely you can see that's not healthy for a democracy? Swap the names around if it helps.
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@Kirwan yep, this story is not about the effect of corrupt or lying politicians (excuse the tautology), but more concerning is the agenda driven dissemination of information and "truth".
The politician part is easily dealt with, we have a mechanism for that - voting.
The dishonest, non objective influence of communication publishers (let's not deny the obvious, they don't behave like platforms) is entirely troubling with no easy solution.
We will have no peace while the richest companies in the history of mankind are able to manipulate our sense of truth, as easily as they do now.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger and @Rembrandt (as you seem to be the most excited about this) can I ask how you would feel if you lost a laptop and instead of wiping it someone decided that despite no illegality on your behalf they would publicly release the contents to try and paint you and your family in a bad light. This could include naked shots of you and photos other people took with your phone when you were wasted.
Forget all the SM and MSM crying for a second and tell me whether this is acceptable behaviour by Rudi G.Not excited. More like concerned (and disgusted) by it all (I would sooner it wasn't true)
And Hunter didn't lose his laptop. That in itself is interesting. Why would he do this? Drop it off with all this information on it and then not pick it back up and pay for the work done
Concerned and disgusted by what? You are still shouting at clouds.
The guys a druggie. Dropped his laptop of to be fixed and not only didn't bother to return and pay for the work but was dumb enough to hand it over to a Trump supporter that was enough of a scumbag to go through his client's emails and pass them on.
I would certainly hope I could trust a tradesperson more than that (even if I didn't pay them). I'd say that every day businesses wipe hard drives without going through them and respecting people's privacy.
Why do you find it 'interesting' ? Do you have a conspiracy theory to regale us with?So if you so illegal stuff on a laptop what would you do?
For the umpteenth time. What illegal stuff?
You seem inable to coherently answer that question.
A question that might have been handy when you were promoting Russiagate đ
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger and @Rembrandt (as you seem to be the most excited about this) can I ask how you would feel if you lost a laptop and instead of wiping it someone decided that despite no illegality on your behalf they would publicly release the contents to try and paint you and your family in a bad light. This could include naked shots of you and photos other people took with your phone when you were wasted.
Forget all the SM and MSM crying for a second and tell me whether this is acceptable behaviour by Rudi G.Well I'm not the son of a presidential nominee whom looks to have been involved in illegal activities and maybe even along with the father potentially dodgy and maybe even treasonous dealings with foreign entities. Quite different circumstances.. might even be in the publics interest just before a presidential election.
Also remember this was provided to the FBI in the first place but nothing came of it. It is certainly in a IT repair stores remit to report illegal activity to authorities.
From what has been released so far I think there are 3 main points.
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Hunter is a complete druggie loser degenerate who thanks to who his daddy is has been given high positions at a ridiculously high salary in firms he has no knowledge or experience with. As you rightly say this is hardly new information.
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There is now evidence in emails released, contrary to what Joe Biden has publicly stated, that he has been involved in Hunter's business dealings with Barisma with an introduction, the Biden camp has denied there was an official meeting on Biden's schedule however importantly don't rule out an unofficial one during the blank space on his schedule. This is important when tied together with the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating Barisma, a firing that Biden publicly on video bragged about causing through his influence.
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There is emails talking about a split in equity for a deal with a Chinese energy firm (a firm with ties to CCP and a chairman who has since 'vanished'). This had 20% going to Hunter Biden, 10% of which Hunter is to hold on to for "The big guy". Fox news has reported that they now have confirmation from one of those on the email trail that "The big guy" is Joe Biden. (Initials used in the email matches the names on the email thread)
There is no 'head-shot' here. But there is enough to raise very significant questions on someone who might yet be the next US president. The fact that the Biden camp has not denied the authenticity of this data is very relevant. In my mind the mass unprecedented censorship from Twitter and Facebook is also relevant, if Biden can't deny the authenticity for fear of trapping himself in a lie then the only option they have left is to prevent the spread of this information.
âWhen you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.â
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@Siam said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger and @Rembrandt (as you seem to be the most excited about this) can I ask how you would feel if you lost a laptop and instead of wiping it someone decided that despite no illegality on your behalf they would publicly release the contents to try and paint you and your family in a bad light. This could include naked shots of you and photos other people took with your phone when you were wasted.
Forget all the SM and MSM crying for a second and tell me whether this is acceptable behaviour by Rudi G.Not excited. More like concerned (and disgusted) by it all (I would sooner it wasn't true)
And Hunter didn't lose his laptop. That in itself is interesting. Why would he do this? Drop it off with all this information on it and then not pick it back up and pay for the work done
Concerned and disgusted by what? You are still shouting at clouds.
The guys a druggie. Dropped his laptop of to be fixed and not only didn't bother to return and pay for the work but was dumb enough to hand it over to a Trump supporter that was enough of a scumbag to go through his client's emails and pass them on.
I would certainly hope I could trust a tradesperson more than that (even if I didn't pay them). I'd say that every day businesses wipe hard drives without going through them and respecting people's privacy.
Why do you find it 'interesting' ? Do you have a conspiracy theory to regale us with?So if you so illegal stuff on a laptop what would you do?
For the umpteenth time. What illegal stuff?
You seem inable to coherently answer that question.
A question that might have been handy when you were promoting Russiagate đ
I don't think Crucial was.
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@sparky said in US Politics:
Even if none of Hunter Biden Ukraine/China stuff is true, it really does look like his Dad intervened to get his son a job with Amtrack.
Nepotism? In the White House? Never!
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@Frank said in US Politics:
Ratcliffe
how much do you know about John Ratcliffe? Seems a rather political (and contentious) choice to me.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
Ratcliffe
how much do you know about John Ratcliffe? Seems a rather political (and contentious) choice to me.
If he is apolitical I would have thought he'd refuse to say anything until the investigation had been concluded?Any choice would be contentious to the likes of the NYTs if they aren't 100% anti Trump
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He was a Republican congressman!
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@Frank said in US Politics:
Ratcliffe says Hunter Biden laptop, emails 'not part of some Russian disinformation campaign'
'There is no intelligence that supports that,' Director of National Intelligence Ratcliffe saysLet's see what comes out of relevance to the voters.
So now things that the intelligence community says are credible?
Sorry, just struggling to keep up a bit.
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