-
So Robertson is Deputy PM
Andrew Little is new Minister of Health
Hipkins retains Education and is the newly created Minister for Covid Response
Nanaia Mahuta is Foreign Affairs
Michael Wood takes Transport Twyford has to content himself with Disarmament and Trade and Export and is outside Cabinet
Clark gets SOE, Commerce, Statistics and Earthquake CommissionAs expected James Shaw retains Climate Change and Marama Davidson is Minister for saying fluffybunny alongside Prevention of Family and Sexual Violence
Jenny Salesa is gone completely
-
Final election results declared - https://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2020/ . Labour received an actual majority of party votes cast and National now only have a party vote majority in one seat (Epsom).
Nats lose 2 MPs, Labour and Maori Party pick up 1 each.
Rawiri (Maori Party) and Chloe retain their electorates. Dr Shane, Matt King and Denise Lee are all flipped (Whangarei, Northland, Maungakiekie respectively). Dr Shane still gets in on the list but the other two are out. King has declared he will be requesting a recount in line with the Electoral Act.
Brownlee has resigned as Deputy Leader of National, but not from Parliament.
-
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp hopefully they can keep it behind closed doors better than pre-election.
now the dust has settled, it feels like opposition sends people crazy. Happened with Lab 08-17, happening with Nats now.
Frustrating, but the way fo the world. This has been so humiliating (and richly deserved because of shockingly poor campaigning) that it should be another generation before they fall as far again.
2002 --> 2020. Post-02 they brought in outstanding calibre candidates. Now we have Gerry Brownlee, Nick Smith, etc ... just not interesting capable or inspiring I don't think.
-
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
Probably have to go outside to find someone as good as Key again.
Wait, not Luxon?
I agree, by the way, National full of uninspiring folk right now.
I'm not convinced yet. He has some charisma and will be one to watch
-
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@canefan I'm not just not convinced, I'm averse. Right now seems a muppet. Need to see plenty more before I'd consider voting for him
They need an everyman/ woman. Someone who can resonate with all sorts. Like John. Or Cindy. I remember the time Key dropped into his old street in Christchurch. Turned apparently anti-nats who came up to front him and had them eating out of his hand. An amazing skill
-
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
Nick Smith, etc ... just not interesting capable or inspiring I don't think.
I've posted on a few occasions that I can't stand Nick Smith, who regularly gives the impression that he knows everything about everything better than everyone else.
But, it's harsh to say he's not capable. He's probably one of National's most capable when he keeps his head down to work constructively.
Interesting and inspiring for Nick are up for grabs.
-
@Chris-B fair call, a bit harsh.
He has a PhD in Civil Engineering, so clearly not a muppet. But I think has been captured by the parliamentary system, and nothing like as effective as he used to be. Seems stale.
in any case, the caucus (well, what's left of it) seems full of yesterdays' people. Brownlee and Smith don't do it for me at all.
ah well, onwards and upwards. They'll reinvent themselves, or Labour will get a third term. This is the brutal reality of political life. Discipline and consistent messaging with a clear vision gets rewarded. This is not what we have seen from National since March.
-
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Chris-B fair call, a bit harsh.
He has a PhD in Civil Engineering, so clearly not a muppet. But I think has been captured by the parliamentary system, and nothing like as effective as he used to be. Seems stale.
in any case, the caucus (well, what's left of it) seems full of yesterdays' people. Brownlee and Smith don't do it for me at all.
ah well, onwards and upwards. They'll reinvent themselves, or Labour will get a third term. This is the brutal reality of political life. Discipline and consistent messaging with a clear vision gets rewarded. This is not what we have seen from National since March.
Probably both will be true. Unless Labour get nothing done
-
@nzzp When they've been gutted of much of their experience, they might need a few older hands to help guide them.
But, otherwise, Nick has been there too long. He's become an expert at arguing his point of view, without necessarily being right.
Looks to me like he'd be doing himself a favour by getting out (and not to run for fucking Mayor of Nelson).
He's a year younger than me and looks 15 years older - and that's not my assessment originally, but I agree.
-
@Chris-B Agree totally. Nothing to stop Nick or Gerry standing down but being available to provide guidance to the newer crowd. While it was a bad result, the Nats still have ex-ministers in caucus so they do have some experience to guide the new MPs.
-
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
Probably have to go outside to find someone as good as Key again.
Wait, not Luxon?
I agree, by the way, National full of uninspiring folk right now.
I'm not convinced yet. He has some charisma and will be one to watch
Luxon - will be interesting to see how he goes. I don't think that he exactly won hearts and minds at Air NZ when I was there, but not many CEO's do. Being an evangelical christian isn't always popular either. Seems smart and speaks well enough though.
Mark Mitchell doesn't seem to want to go higher. Hager tried to discredit him, but who knows what to believe there. Could have gone up the ladder if he wanted too. Married to Possum Bourne's widow so maybe she doesn't want him to (already lost one husband and I would imagine the demands on time would be large). Met him a couple of times seems like a good guy.
NZ Politics