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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
And again how do they do it on a large scale?
These two are smart people.
I thought that you had no faith in the MSM? That's also Fox - known as Trump news.
I agree that it should be looked into but things that Sidney says...she's a lawyer (and Michael Flynn's lawyer). I wouldn't take that as gospel yet.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
Heres a tweet on the Dominion voting system
The election software system in Michigan that switched 6,000 votes from Trump to Biden is called "Dominion."
I remember these debates in 2000 when some Democrats were raging about Bush and the Republicans stealing that election with electronic vote machines manufactured by Republican Party donors, but the complaints didn't get any traction then either.
There are lots of things I think they could do better, but it's a large logistical challenge to count 150 million votes, and paper ballots without some sort of machine count aren't popular on either side.
Voter ID is unlikely in the USA because of a very long history of using it for suppressing Blacks from voting, and a long list of Supreme Court decisions effectively banning voter ID requirements.
The other issue is that fundamentally all ID comes back to a birth certificate, so it's falsifiable if it is really necessary. If the Democrats are so good at voter fraud, you better believe they'll be all over this too, and unlike machine allegations, there's no defence to this. That's without getting into the citizen ID card issue that this would engender.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
And again how do they do it on a large scale?
These two are smart people.
They mention Hammer and Scorecard
Hammer collects information
Scorecard can change vote totalsApparantly
"Statistically impossible as a matter of mathematics"? Maybe not that smart...
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
And again how do they do it on a large scale?
These two are smart people.
They mention Hammer and Scorecard
Hammer collects information
Scorecard can change vote totalsApparantly
"Statistically impossible as a matter of mathematics"? Maybe not that smart...
Big words make smart brain
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President Elect Biden speaking now, sounding pretty sharp, more so than he has for a while
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
President Elect Biden speaking now, sounding pretty sharp, more so than he has for a while
very shouty though
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No us and them talk, just really positive, good to hear
Have to say, it’s fascinating how little talk there has been about the first female Vice President
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@nzzp said in US Politics:
@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
President Elect Biden speaking now, sounding pretty sharp, more so than he has for a while
very shouty though
Nothing beats a speech mumbled in a whisper!
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Having watched Harris' televised phone call to Biden to congratulate him I'm not sure what's going to get Joe first.
Alzheimer's or the knife in his back.
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@MiketheSnow said in US Politics:
Having watched Harris' televised phone call to Biden to congratulate him I'm not sure what's going to get Joe first.
Alzheimer's or the knife in his back.
Do you really believe Joe will ever become President?
Here's a good video to consider (about the vote recording systems used in the US). At the 45 minute mark it shows how Biden's total increased by 138,000 votes in Michigan after voting was closed down. Why was it closed down for starters at the same time in these key states. I was watching when this occurred. Trump was in the lead then surprise surprise he was behind. I saw it happening on election night
The recounts will pick these 'corrections' (or bogus updates) all up.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
Trump was in the lead then surprise surprise he was behind.
There is no surprise the city ballots came in later. They favoured the Democrats.
You remind me that Trump said the 2016 votes were rigged until he won. Then he didn't say that any more.
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@nostrildamus said in US Politics:
They favoured the Democrats.
Funny that. It favored Joe 100%. My view if this crap holds (the fraud is too obvious) elections in the US will be meaningless. And everyone will know it. The people who control these machines will determine the election winners.
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Funny that you don't note Trump told them to vote in person, Biden didn't and mail-in votes get counted later.
Funny stuff alright, because of the Republicans
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-blames-democrats-for-late-counted-mail-ballots-he-should-blame-the-gop/ar-BB1aJIkV- It’s a big mystery to Trump, it seems. But if he’s really that concerned about it, he should be taking it up with the parties responsible: namely, the state Republican parties.
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The idea of a rigged election has come up before, notably in 1960 which was very close. Nixon, the loser refused to contest the result saying that to do so was bad for America, though many felt that he knew it was futile and didn’t want to be cast as a sore loser. The GOP did contest several counts to no avail, finding in some instances Nixon’s votes had actually been over-counted. Will Trump go down as a sore loser? My guess is yes.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2000/10/was-nixon-robbed.amp
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@Godder Spot on. The things that get me about these election rigging conspiracies is that seemingly the tin foil hat mob don’t consider the sheer scale of such an operation, how many people would have to be involved and in something that is always going to be highly scrutinised. The chances of the thing getting exposed is really quite high and the consequences of getting caught are huge.
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@Catogrande It is always somewhat bizarre to see some of the theorists get themselves in knots over how these things are supposed to happen. Most of the politicians and civil servants involved were probably run off their feet just trying to get an actual election run.
The amount of work to rig it as well? There are only so many hours in the day.
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
One way is removing ballots and replacing them. Or inserting ballots where the voter didn't vote.
They are coded aren't they? Are you saying that they photocopy millions of ballots that weren't sent to them. How do you replace them? How do you collect those? Insert ballotts how? There has to be identity verification.
I think they do things like checking postmarks on the envelopes which seems pretty old school to me, but I think @Godder pointed out above: if you really want to rig an election you'll find a way.
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