Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think it would be fair to expect that international professional sportmen should be able to adhere to some simple rules.
Stay in your room isn't too bloody difficult.
Well you patently think wrong. As well as every other breach of quarantine, (the sole defence from external transmission) in the world.
The authorities come up with a plan to stop an existential threat to the country and then rely on the detainees to carry it out? That's a shit strategy right there.
The wording on every quarantine order clearly states detainment by the government through laws.This is primarily the fault of the detainers not the detainees.
They keep using the word quarantine, but then implement these half arsed approaches.
So, the ENTIRE strategy to save thousands of NZ lives relies FUNDAMENTALLY on 2 dozen temporary overseas visitors choosing (or not) to follow some rules.
That's it?
Our systems make us totally reliant on the conduct of visiting non new Zealanders?
We totally rely on their behaviour to save our lives and indeed NZ as a country.
And that's ok?
Time to start holding these salaried authorities accountable rather than yelling "dickhead" everytime our quarantine gets breached in the most ridiculous manner
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@Siam i guess they over estimated the sense of a professional sporting organisation and players being privileged enough to travel to a country free of covid to adhere to some rules for 14 days in order to keep it that way.
The heat should be coming from the Pakistani cricket on their players.
Sure our systems aren't perfect, but short of shutting our borders completely they will never be, at some point these fluffybunnies need to take some responsibility on themselves.
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@taniwharugby fair point but agree to disagree. As the host nation to invite others in, the onus is on us to ensure this doesn't happen and I believe we should be capable of that.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think it would be fair to expect that international professional sportmen should be able to adhere to some simple rules.
Stay in your room isn't too bloody difficult.
Well you patently think wrong. As well as every other breach of quarantine, (the sole defence from external transmission) in the world.
The authorities come up with a plan to stop an existential threat to the country and then rely on the detainees to carry it out? That's a shit strategy right there.
The wording on every quarantine order clearly states detainment by the government through laws.This is primarily the fault of the detainers not the detainees.
So what do the authorities do? You seem to think that incoming visitors should not take any personal responsibility to play by the rules? Im sure you would be similarly up in arms if we simply locked people up for 2 weeks instead, because that's the only way to be sure
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@canefan no, I agree with 2 week lock up if the threat is deemed as it is.
Every lockdown scare or actuality in Oz and nz has been because of porous quarantine. I want that done properly.Now, obviously mate I didn't read the article but with all the calls to "deport" them I figured they'd done something to endanger nz 🙂.
What i do object to is the sliding scale of existential threat being displayed on both sides of the Ta$man. It's almost like the authorities don't know precisely what they're doing.
And I definitely don't think that personal responsibility of arrivees is any consideration at all.
The buck stops with the authorities, not the public. Fines and demanding detention shifts the onus -
@Siam they are not the public though, this situation is different.
You are invited somewhere, you abide by the rules.
These guys are in a privileged position and would have been briefed on the rules that I expect they all agreed to.
Sure what it sounds like they did wasn't huge and risk to the public, but jeez, grown men paid a lot of money to play sport.
You say NZ should supply people to stand outside the door of every single player and tour member to ensure they don't break rules, I say there is a massive amount of personal responsibility too, this isn't a class of kids.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan no, I agree with 2 week lock up if the threat is deemed as it is.
Every lockdown scare or actuality in Oz and nz has been because of porous quarantine. I want that done properly.Now, obviously mate I didn't read the article but with all the calls to "deport" them I figured they'd done something to endanger nz 🙂.
What i do object to is the sliding scale of existential threat being displayed on both sides of the Ta$man. It's almost like the authorities don't know precisely what they're doing.
And I definitely don't think that personal responsibility of arrivees is any consideration at all.
The buck stops with the authorities, not the public. Fines and demanding detention shifts the onusI agree the authorities are prone to make missteps. We owe much of our success to natural advantages and dumb luck as to good management. The only way to be sure is lock up. Of course those that screech about sending the cricketers home will screech about returnees being imprisoned in our country. You can't win.
And this is the Fern, of course I didn't read the article either!
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think it would be fair to expect that international professional sportmen should be able to adhere to some simple rules.
Stay in your room isn't too bloody difficult.
Well you patently think wrong. As well as every other breach of quarantine, (the sole defence from external transmission) in the world.
The authorities come up with a plan to stop an existential threat to the country and then rely on the detainees to carry it out? That's a shit strategy right there.
The wording on every quarantine order clearly states detainment by the government through laws.This is primarily the fault of the detainers not the detainees.
I am definitely not patently wrong to suggest that responsible adults act in a responsible manner to protect the well being of an entire nation that is hosting them.
No it is fucking not the fault of the detainers, we should have some trust in these arseholes too. These people are guests in our country, are adults, and should know how to obey the rules. What you are suggesting is that we put them in prison because they aren't capable of self control?
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think it would be fair to expect that international professional sportmen should be able to adhere to some simple rules.
Stay in your room isn't too bloody difficult.
Well you patently think wrong. As well as every other breach of quarantine, (the sole defence from external transmission) in the world.
The authorities come up with a plan to stop an existential threat to the country and then rely on the detainees to carry it out? That's a shit strategy right there.
The wording on every quarantine order clearly states detainment by the government through laws.This is primarily the fault of the detainers not the detainees.
I am definitely not patently wrong to suggest that responsible adults act in a responsible manner to protect the well being of an entire nation that is hosting them.
No it is fucking not the fault of the detainers, we should have some trust in these arseholes too. These people are guests in our country, are adults, and should know how to obey the rules. What you are suggesting is that we put them in prison because they aren't capable of self control?
Agree, it's not prison. Everyone gets clear instructions on how it works, and since it's not prison, are given some leeway. As long as they don't leave while positive, it's more annoying than risky.
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another Pakistani cricketer tests positive.
technically, 1/4 of our 5,000,000 have been tested for the rona!
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I wonder what Shoaib will have to say about this:
The team is not allowed to train until the Canterbury District Health Board medical officer of health is satisfied any training activities are unlikely to transmit the virus.
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@taniwharugby I'm wondering if anyone at Pakistan Cricket told him to shut the fuck up. Can't imagine that outburst went down overly well. Only issue here is folks not following the rules aye.
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@Paekakboyz @taniwharugby I figured Shoaib's comments were always targeted at the domestic Pakistani audience and should be taken in that context. PCB probably couldn't give two shits about them.
I don't get why staff at MIQ (as per stuff photo) are still not wearing N95 masks - in fact ideally N100.
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@dogmeat maybe be, but he knew it would get airtime
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@Higgins said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It is staggering that a touring cricket team can need a touring party numbering fifty four is the total quoted in the article is correct. They must have completely different squads for tests, one dayers and 20/20s to explain that number.
Support staff? Coaches, Physios, nutritionists, etc?
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Only tests and ODIs. IIRC 34 players were mentioned amongst articles so that's still a lot of non-playing staff.
Edit:
The entire squad of 35 players and 20 coaching staff and officials assembled in a Lahore hotel on the afternoon of November 20.
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So my wife sent me an updated piece of Gov advice on going home, should I need to soon, if my Mum starts to rapidly decline.
There is a new process for emergency room allocation in managed iso. I'd be a Tier 2, for what looks like 7 or 8 rooms per day that come up.
Failing qualifying and securing one of those rooms, the next available booking in managed iso starts 16 Feb...!!!
WTF is going on? ??
The Government cant sort out more rooms for people to isolate? People who are to be charged $3k for that privilege? People who would then spend real cash in NZ after arriving?
I dont get it.
I looked at flights, and I could fly with AirNZ tomorrow for $500 on one of 2 available timeslots . There are available flights every single day.
So it ain't the airlines.
It's all government and iso availability.
Why are they making it so hard to go home???