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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@antipodean so how does the second sentence change the first ones relevance to my question?
Am I being trolled?
trust me I asked myself the same question
I asked about a specific example and got indictment on tradition in general and their negative effect on companies taking market opportunities….
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@Tim said in US Politics:
And yet we were assured Biden wouldn't be beholden to the lunatics in his party.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Tim said in US Politics:
And yet we were assured Biden wouldn't be beholden to the lunatics in his party.
Biden may not know what day of the week it is.
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And yet, the San Diego chapter of NAACP accuses Marten of being a nightmare for black students:
Katrina Hasan Hamilton, the local NAACP’s education chair, said: “Educators at all levels must have a track record of dismantling the harmful practices of Anti-Black Racism that occur in schools. Cindy Marten has a historical pattern of allowing the excessive suspension and expulsion of Black students in San Diego.”
This is going to get beyond weird.
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Not regularly following this thread, so apologies if it has already been discussed.
How is it possible, in the USA, for an outgoing President, to pardon people who haven't even been charged of crimes, yet? And is it a blanket pardon that covers every single possible breach of the law?
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@Stargazer said in US Politics:
Not regularly following this thread, so apologies if it has already been discussed.
How is it possible, in the USA, for an outgoing President, to pardon people who haven't even been charged of crimes, yet? And is it a blanket pardon that covers every single possible breach of the law?
The pardon has to be for specific crimes, and has to be accepted the "pardonee". A President has been held to have unlimited power by the Supreme Court since Ex parte Garland, 71 U.S. 333 (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/71/333/) after the commission of a crime. Edit - but only for Federal crimes.
The Constitution prohibits pardons against impeachment.
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@antipodean Thanks. Unbelievable that a US president - whoever holds that position - has such far-reaching powers! If those powers are unlimited, a president could pardon people guilty of, say, genocide and other crimes against humanity. Insane!
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@NTA said in US Politics:
And yet, the San Diego chapter of NAACP accuses Marten of being a nightmare for black students:
Katrina Hasan Hamilton, the local NAACP’s education chair, said: “Educators at all levels must have a track record of dismantling the harmful practices of Anti-Black Racism that occur in schools. Cindy Marten has a historical pattern of allowing the excessive suspension and expulsion of Black students in San Diego.”
This is going to get beyond weird.
I think we will have to wait and see what policies they try to implement. If they go too far the Biden Presidency will be looked back on as a reset from the Trump Presidency and the dems will lose in 2024
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@Stargazer said in US Politics:
Not regularly following this thread, so apologies if it has already been discussed.
How is it possible, in the USA, for an outgoing President, to pardon people who haven't even been charged of crimes, yet? And is it a blanket pardon that covers every single possible breach of the law?
The pardon has to be for specific crimes, and has to be accepted the "pardonee". A President has been held to have unlimited power by the Supreme Court since Ex parte Garland, 71 U.S. 333 (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/71/333/) after the commission of a crime. Edit - but only for Federal crimes.
The Constitution prohibits pardons against impeachment.
Pardons don't have to be for specific crimes, as Ford's pardon of Nixon was broader than a stated list of crimes, and amnesties can be issued using the pardon, as Lincoln did during the civil war (and Charles II did following the Restoration).
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@Stargazer weren't those blackwater guys done for essentially murder? Can recall there was some international condemnation of that.
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“We are the law and order party” Trump handing out pardons like lolly water pretty much sums up the guy. Actually I think you have to buy the pardons. Which sums him up even more.
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@Billy-Tell said in US Politics:
Actually I think you have to buy the pardons. Which sums him up even more.
Perfect fundraising opportunity
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what I find interesting, and I've done a little googling but not definitive
people seem to be saying Trump will pardon 150 odd people plus maybe 100 he had already pardoned up until the end of the last year which I thought was a lot, until looking into it
Obama pardoned 1927, Bush 200, Clinton 459, Bush snr 77, Reagan 406, Carter 566, Nixon 926, Johnson 1187...etc
so at 250ish...hes on the low end
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@Paekakboyz Yeah, one was convicted of murder, three of manslaughter and firearm charges. If those Blackwater employees had been tried and convicted outside the USA (under international or Iraqi law), they couldn't have been pardoned.
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
what I find interesting, and I've done a little googling but not definitive
people seem to be saying Trump will pardon 150 odd people plus maybe 100 he had already pardoned up until the end of the last year which I thought was a lot, until looking into it
Obama pardoned 1927, Bush 200, Clinton 459, Bush snr 77, Reagan 406, Carter 566, Nixon 926, Johnson 1187...etc
so at 250ish...hes on the low end
The Obama number is fantastic trivia question
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The whole thing is a crock of shît. We are not in 16th century royal France where the king pardons at his fancy. The latest pardon list is a who’s who of white collar crime. Sends out such a poor message.
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