Coronavirus - UK
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@Victor-Meldrew A wise man once said "The earlybird catches the worm." Clearly this didn't resonate with the walaahs at the EU
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew A wise man once said "The earlybird catches the worm." Clearly this didn't resonate with the walaahs at the EU
Kate Bingham deserves a Damehood or whatever it is they give women.
PS: In Peston tweeted and quoted a pro-Remain AZ director as saying he now fully understood the rationale for Brexit..
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The vaccine rollout has been a real hit for vote leave.
Unfortunately, we can expect a stronger EU response which will disrupt the UK rollout. This will in turn, entrench each side further.
Huge riots in NL over the curfew there and plenty in France too. I totally get, and would support, the huge EU gesture of showing togetherness right now with UK leaving. However, not sure vaccine rollout was really the path to choose ....
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Interesting that AZ have hit back quite hard and quite quickly
The UK's "headstart" in rolling out vaccines before the European Union means nearly everyone aged over 50 will be inoculated by March, the AstraZeneca chief executive has said. Pascal Soriot said he believed the UK was on course to administer doses to “maybe 28 or 30 million people” within weeks – nearly half the total population – and would comfortably hit the target of vaccinating the most vulnerable groups by mid-February. It came amid rising international tension after the EU threatened to block vaccine doses from leaving the Continent without prior approval, leading Matt Hancock to accuse Brussels of "protectionism and narrow nationalism". Last week the bloc’s rollout was thrown into disarray when AstraZeneca announced scheduled shipments of around 15 million doses would be delayed by manufacturing problems. EU politicians on Tuesday accused the firm of withholding the bloc’s “fair share” of doses, and suggested the UK had been given preferential treatment. But Mr Soriot said the EU had been "treated fairly," adding that Britain had a three-month “headstart” after agreeing a deal for 100 million doses in May, three months before the EU. **He revealed that British plants had among the best yield in the world after spending months perfecting the process, while **EU factories had been left with the “lowest productivity in the network**”.*
Full article excellent, thanks!
Germany, France etc. had preliminary deal with AZ in June. EU took over and pissed around for three months before doing in essence the same deal! -
Hancock and Zawhari are confident they have enough Pfizer doses to meet the mid-Feb target. Read somewhere that AZ can deliver 2-3m doses from UK factories per week from end of Feb.
Opportunity for BoJo to seriously wind up the EU by offering some spare doses "to help out our EU neighbours who seem to be having difficulties".... Would have the additional virtue of seriously pissing off the loonier Remainers
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@Victor-Meldrew don’t know enough about Zwahari but I lost faith in Hancock quite some time ago ....
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Finally
I'd give this 100 upvotes if I could.
Be interested to know how we change the eating/exercise habits of a lifetime though. Governments have done loads of stuff with little impact. What should/could they be doing different?
The fundamental part of the problem is parenting.
The 50-65 year olds have ‘never had it so good’ in terms of food availability, choice & price compared with their parents who went through WWII rationing programme.
But this has manifested itself as excess, particularly of highly processed foods.
In turn their children have grown up with the same habits and practices.
At the individual level change can be implemented instantly.
Society wide will be a generational if not multi-generational challenge.
It can start by society not being surprised that an obese person who is practically immobile will be taken out by a virus.
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@MiketheSnow Britain also has one of the worst obesity rates in the world, with 26.2 per of the population classified as obese, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), compared with 9.8 per cent of people in Italy and 17 per cent in France. Only Finland and Turkey have higher obesity rates than Britain in Europe.
Some 47.8 per cent of critically ill Covid patients admitted since September 1 had a BMI above 30, making them medically obese, while 11.4 per cent had a BMI above 40, which is morbidly obese. That is higher than during the first wave, when 39.4 patients admitted up to August 31 had a BMI above 30, and just eight per cent had a BMI above 40.
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@MiketheSnow good points. On parenting, as I said above, Mrs P and I eat healthily (apart from the occasional curry!) and are fit, but our son LOVES junk food. As I try and cut out saturated fats to keep cholesterol in check, my ‘to avoid’ list is also many of his faves!
I expect it’s down to his peer group, but I would say that!
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I'm increasingly convinced that free time (subtract working hours and commute) is a key factor in the BMI and diabetes disparities between anglophone countries and continental Europe.
China also has terrible diabetes and obesity problems. Its diabetes rates are higher than NZ's when adjusted for age.
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@Tim I agree that is part of the problem but you also need to factor in working practices. Much less manual work now and probably more importantly the more sedentary office work has changed significantly. Much less moving around, no need to get up and walk to another persons office. No manual transfer of paperwork. Much less necessity to use stairs. Add into that the relative cheapness and availability of highly processed food and it is really not surprising. This has happened within a generation which puts the comparison in stark relief.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow Britain also has one of the worst obesity rates in the world, with 26.2 per of the population classified as obese, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), compared with 9.8 per cent of people in Italy and 17 per cent in France. Only Finland and Turkey have higher obesity rates than Britain in Europe.
Some 47.8 per cent of critically ill Covid patients admitted since September 1 had a BMI above 30, making them medically obese, while 11.4 per cent had a BMI above 40, which is morbidly obese. That is higher than during the first wave, when 39.4 patients admitted up to August 31 had a BMI above 30, and just eight per cent had a BMI above 40.
I believe the first wave took out the old, most of whom were in pretty good shape BMI wise.
The second and third waves are affecting the younger demographic who are significantly more overweight and obese.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow good points. On parenting, as I said above, Mrs P and I eat healthily (apart from the occasional curry!) and are fit, but our son LOVES junk food. As I try and cut out saturated fats to keep cholesterol in check, my ‘to avoid’ list is also many of his faves!
I expect it’s down to his peer group, but I would say that!
The marketing machines of the fast food industry have contributed to the problem, perhaps they need to be part of the solution.
Ultimately it’s the responsibility of a government and an organisation like the NHS to help the individual in times of need.
However, the NHS wasn’t set up to continually keep people alive (not necessarily well) when the individual has made no changes to their lifestyle and in this context dietary habits.
But like war, there’s too much money in it for things to change.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in [Coronavirus - UK](/post/540438
I believe the first wave took out the old, most of whom were in pretty good shape BMI wise.
The second and third waves are affecting the younger demographic who are significantly more overweight and obese.
Just how my daughter, Dr. Pakman, reacted.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in [Coronavirus - UK](/post/540438
I believe the first wave took out the old, most of whom were in pretty good shape BMI wise.
The second and third waves are affecting the younger demographic who are significantly more overweight and obese.
Just how my daughter, Dr. Pakman, reacted.
Unfortunately when a medical professional or politician points out the obvious and factual they get banded as an insensitive fatist by MSM.
In the legal setting a jury is optimally comprised of a group of your peers.
It’s frightening to see footage of hospitals where the medical practitioners look exactly like the people on the gurney / in the beds BMI wise
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
As an aside, an actuary pal has told me of the Golden Cohort, born in 1930s, and which saw a phenomenal increase in life expectancy. Their adolescence corresponded to war rationing.
‘The secret’s in the cabbage soup’, he reckons!
100%
And a solid base of physical movement, and knowing when you’re full.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in [Coronavirus - UK](/post/540438
I believe the first wave took out the old, most of whom were in pretty good shape BMI wise.
The second and third waves are affecting the younger demographic who are significantly more overweight and obese.
Just how my daughter, Dr. Pakman, reacted.
Unfortunately when a medical professional or politician points out the obvious and factual they get banded as an insensitive fatist by MSM.
In the legal setting a jury is optimally comprised of a group of your peers.
It’s frightening to see footage of hospitals where the medical practitioners look exactly like the people on the gurney / in the beds BMI wise
GP friend of ours was censured by her practice after a complaint by the grandmother of a fat girl she told had to do something about her obesity!
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - UK:
I'm increasingly convinced that free time (subtract working hours and commute) is a key factor in the BMI and diabetes disparities between anglophone countries and continental Europe.
How so Tim?
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