Coronavirus - UK
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I'm increasingly convinced that free time (subtract working hours and commute) is a key factor in the BMI and diabetes disparities between anglophone countries and continental Europe.
China also has terrible diabetes and obesity problems. Its diabetes rates are higher than NZ's when adjusted for age.
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@Tim I agree that is part of the problem but you also need to factor in working practices. Much less manual work now and probably more importantly the more sedentary office work has changed significantly. Much less moving around, no need to get up and walk to another persons office. No manual transfer of paperwork. Much less necessity to use stairs. Add into that the relative cheapness and availability of highly processed food and it is really not surprising. This has happened within a generation which puts the comparison in stark relief.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow Britain also has one of the worst obesity rates in the world, with 26.2 per of the population classified as obese, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), compared with 9.8 per cent of people in Italy and 17 per cent in France. Only Finland and Turkey have higher obesity rates than Britain in Europe.
Some 47.8 per cent of critically ill Covid patients admitted since September 1 had a BMI above 30, making them medically obese, while 11.4 per cent had a BMI above 40, which is morbidly obese. That is higher than during the first wave, when 39.4 patients admitted up to August 31 had a BMI above 30, and just eight per cent had a BMI above 40.
I believe the first wave took out the old, most of whom were in pretty good shape BMI wise.
The second and third waves are affecting the younger demographic who are significantly more overweight and obese.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow good points. On parenting, as I said above, Mrs P and I eat healthily (apart from the occasional curry!) and are fit, but our son LOVES junk food. As I try and cut out saturated fats to keep cholesterol in check, my ‘to avoid’ list is also many of his faves!
I expect it’s down to his peer group, but I would say that!
The marketing machines of the fast food industry have contributed to the problem, perhaps they need to be part of the solution.
Ultimately it’s the responsibility of a government and an organisation like the NHS to help the individual in times of need.
However, the NHS wasn’t set up to continually keep people alive (not necessarily well) when the individual has made no changes to their lifestyle and in this context dietary habits.
But like war, there’s too much money in it for things to change.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in [Coronavirus - UK](/post/540438
I believe the first wave took out the old, most of whom were in pretty good shape BMI wise.
The second and third waves are affecting the younger demographic who are significantly more overweight and obese.
Just how my daughter, Dr. Pakman, reacted.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in [Coronavirus - UK](/post/540438
I believe the first wave took out the old, most of whom were in pretty good shape BMI wise.
The second and third waves are affecting the younger demographic who are significantly more overweight and obese.
Just how my daughter, Dr. Pakman, reacted.
Unfortunately when a medical professional or politician points out the obvious and factual they get banded as an insensitive fatist by MSM.
In the legal setting a jury is optimally comprised of a group of your peers.
It’s frightening to see footage of hospitals where the medical practitioners look exactly like the people on the gurney / in the beds BMI wise
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
As an aside, an actuary pal has told me of the Golden Cohort, born in 1930s, and which saw a phenomenal increase in life expectancy. Their adolescence corresponded to war rationing.
‘The secret’s in the cabbage soup’, he reckons!
100%
And a solid base of physical movement, and knowing when you’re full.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in [Coronavirus - UK](/post/540438
I believe the first wave took out the old, most of whom were in pretty good shape BMI wise.
The second and third waves are affecting the younger demographic who are significantly more overweight and obese.
Just how my daughter, Dr. Pakman, reacted.
Unfortunately when a medical professional or politician points out the obvious and factual they get banded as an insensitive fatist by MSM.
In the legal setting a jury is optimally comprised of a group of your peers.
It’s frightening to see footage of hospitals where the medical practitioners look exactly like the people on the gurney / in the beds BMI wise
GP friend of ours was censured by her practice after a complaint by the grandmother of a fat girl she told had to do something about her obesity!
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - UK:
I'm increasingly convinced that free time (subtract working hours and commute) is a key factor in the BMI and diabetes disparities between anglophone countries and continental Europe.
How so Tim?
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@TeWaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
I know BMI works reasonably well for the population at large, but it's still fun to point out
how it falls down when people have very high muscle mass:Eddie Hall, at 6ft 3in and 161kg, former world's strongest man, currently has a BMI of 44.4!
Do you work in MSM?
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@TeWaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
I know BMI works reasonably well for the population at large, but it's still fun to point out
how it falls down when people have very high muscle mass:Eddie Hall, at 6ft 3in and 161kg, former world's strongest man, currently has a BMI of 44.4!
Eddie’s slimmed down from his fat days.
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@Victor-Meldrew Time for preparing food and for exercise.
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@MiketheSnow no, what makes you ask that?
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow Britain also has one of the worst obesity rates in the world, with 26.2 per of the population classified as obese, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), compared with 9.8 per cent of people in Italy and 17 per cent in France. Only Finland and Turkey have higher obesity rates than Britain in Europe.
Some 47.8 per cent of critically ill Covid patients admitted since September 1 had a BMI above 30, making them medically obese, while 11.4 per cent had a BMI above 40, which is morbidly obese. That is higher than during the first wave, when 39.4 patients admitted up to August 31 had a BMI above 30, and just eight per cent had a BMI above 40.
I'm intrigued as to how they get their figures?